Another child killed by a dog,

[Lonnie]

i'm not really sure what can be done, as long as people own dogs, it'll happen from time to time.
Just sad.

http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=adima rticle&f=uk_-_olgbtopnews&t=4023&id=4324173&d= 20070101&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i=http:// newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&ml =ma&lc=en&ae=windows-1252

[flip-flop]

I hardly think stating a fact is splitting hairs......in the case of the French girl I believe she was ripped to her tits on drugs and her dog was trying to wake her by pawing at her face - if this were to happen repeatedly I can see how claws and rough pads would eventually mess with her face. If I have mis-remembered this particular instance I am of course happy to be corrected.

As far as dogs generally and this case in particular are concerned I do not think people should automatically be given the right to own a dog - the owner, not the dog, should be licensed: yes I know this will bring about yet another beurocratic department to police it, and I know it is not a panacea, but it will help. Yes, It Will.

Secondly, Pit Bulls, Staffs, English Bull Terriers, the Huuuuge Jap one, the Argentine one....basically the real dangerous breeds should be culled, and it should be made illegal to breed them or cross breed them. A drastic measure, granted, but how many more kids need to be killed or maimed before somthing drastic happens.

I think it is fair comment that chavs tend to have the Pit Bulls and Staffs because they mistakenly believe it makes their otherwise sad meaningless worthless selves look 'Hard' - you only have to look at the owner of the dog in the current tragedy to see this - and as chavs don't have the wit to give a tinker's cuss about anybody but themselves how the hell are they meant to look after an animal, a dangerous animal at that.

Desperate measures are called for before something like this happens again.

[dogfish]

Robotics, while you do sound like a responsible dog owner, you obviously must let your animal off of the leash. In my experience it's not me that approaches a dog, but the other way 'round. And I hate the blase arrogance of the owners who shout over that "he'll not touch you" as an unknown dog comes bounding towards me or my children. Not all people "know" how to behave amongst other poples dogs, because many people are simply wary of them, many others are bl00dy scared.

[Lonnie]

Just to carry on with this a bit longer, my neighbours have four Rotties, show dogs, good as gold, but she said that if one of them so much as touches anyone with its teeth, she'd have it put dpwn, no second chance.

Reading about that little girll, her uncle, the dogs owner is a drug pusher, so the dog was eoiher protection or image, possibly both, but i'd string up all pushers anway.

He may not be charged, because the attack happened indoors, not in a public place.

[smudge]

Yep - it's a flicking crazy world we live in Lonnie!

We often see Police cars whizzing down the road & into our local supermarket to 'nick' shop lifters - but an ar$ehole of a drug pusher might get off scot free, even though his beloved little sh!t machine killed his innocent beautiful little niece......

Calm down Smudge - it's only a commercial.....

[kita1]

According to the police this dog has now been proved genetically to have been a pitbull.

Where are the dogs parents? And littermates? How many 'brothers and sisters' does it have? Who bred it (illegally)?

If the police cannot carry out the current law (according to which all pitbulls should now be in their teens and registered) what is the point in introducing new laws?

This dog was owned illegally, so are its remaining relatives, why if it had two previous warnings against it?

How many other people (neighbours) were too scared of the owner to report the dog?

We have a similar situation where I live, this young drug pusher lives at home with his doting mother and younger brother on and off, he 'ownes' a staffie. So far it has attacked two dogs that I know of, a jack russell with a young girl and a yorkie with an old lady. The old lady reported it, the young girl was too scared (as are other neighbours). The police did nothing. It never has a lead on (nor a collar). I KNOW something is going to happen - it will either kill another dog or some child will pick a cat up (it chases them too) and it will kill the child!

The laws are already there to deal with this - just the courts and police will not implement them! If you introduce licences only responsible people will get them, these sort of owners won't bother - they already go to jail for other things anyhow - they know it is an easy life in there. They wouldn't pay a fine! They don't care about the dogs anyhow so if the dog is destroyed they will just get another!

[smudge]

kita1 - You sound like a very sensible, caring person, so If as you say "you KNOW something is going to happen....." why don't you call in at your local Police station to report the family who own this 'dangerous' dog - that way, you will get it off your chest & if God forbid something awful did happen, at least you'll know you tried your best to avoid it.....

P.S. Just heard on Radio 2 that two more innocent children have been attacked by a dog/dogs.

Only heard a snippet, so not sure if it was a roaming dog or with its owner. Will watch the full story on the news later....

[Lonnie]

Hi smudge, just read your bit about these new attacks, if you learn anymore, will you post it?.

[kita1]

Smudge - I have reported the family more times than I care to remember!!! The police say that a police person has to actually see the dog off lead, or the dog has to actually do something before they can act!!!! The thing is with this type of dog when they actually do something - it is something major.

All I can do is hopefully be a witness if this dog attacks anything - much as I love dogs (own a giant breed myself) - I will be out with a half a snooker cue I keep beside my door!! Plus the street WILL be filled with police - probably arresting me for attacking the owner of the said dog.

[mw]

Any dog has the potential to turn. As i always say though a dog is what you make it.
i have 2 collies and i dont let people touch the 7 year old as she cannot be trusted, the other to a certain extent but still i would be warey. Every dog has an instinct to protect their owner and home.
Lately i bought a lhasa and although she is cute and cudly i would still watch her with people. She may be little but she can still nip and bite as much as any dog. I so wanted a staffie but the new lately and bad press stopped me.
my son when he was 8 was bit int he face by a great dane while walking past with his bike so any dog can attack.
If there was a dog license do you think it would help?

[smudge]

My apologies kita1, you didn't mention you'd actually reported this family & their dog yourself - I admire you for doing so.

Perhaps the Police are too tied up with chasing after speeding car drivers - who are just as dangerous as some irresponsible dog owners of course!

[smudge]

Nearly forgot - I certainly will let you know Lonnie!

[smudge]

Whilst we're on the subject of irresponsible dog owners, this might also give food for thought:

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Animals-and-Nat ure/Pets/Question343505.html

[LordOfLife]

I'm just waiting for the Uncle to to take the Police to court for 'killing' his dog. No doubt he will receive thousands of pounds in compensation for hurt feelings.

Worringly, that happening would not surprise me.

I actually don't believe that anyone should own a dog that has the potential to kill if they are provoked, even if they are good owners.

[robotics]

http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/display.var.1101 791.0.six_pit_bulls_found_during_raids.php

[smiffy65]

I would ask anyone out there to help me I have a dog which I believe is a staffie,Itook it into my home 7 years ago but before I did I made sure that it was castrated,I then to it on a police training school to make sure it was a safe dog,and then went on to obedience classes it is a very well behaved dog ilways leashed when out also wears a gentle leader, but what I am worried about is am I going to get the finger pointed at me when I go out, amd I going to have him taken off me, Here is a picture of him can somebody identify his breed please, he is now nearly nine years of age and I would say He has a brilliant temperement, but I still would not trust him not to bite,as I would'nt trust any dog not to, anydog brought up to fight will any dog brought up to kill will, and dog brought up responsibly could still turn.
http://www.mygermanshepherd.co.uk/forums/showt hread.php?t=62

[smiffy65]

Sorry the picture is not there but if you go onto the site and log in ,then go to pictures pictures pictures (Taz

[brionon]

Here's a thought--instead of destroying the Dog
we could destroy the owner.

[robotics]

smiffy65......... I have changed the forum permissions, so that people do not have to be a member to see the picture,

I would also be grateful to anybody who can identify this dog, he is a lovely dog and I am also scared for him, we live so near St Helens and the Police are now rounding up these breds, please please help smiffy65

http://www.mygermanshepherd.co.uk/forums/showt hread.php?t=62

I agree the BAD BAD owners should be put down..

[Lonnie]

robotics, call me naive if you like, but even though I new dog fighting went on, I never realised it was on such a well organised scale. Everything possible should be used to wipe it out.

The dog on your last post looks suspiciously like a Staff,

smiffy65,my neighbour was the same with her Rotties after the baby was killed, unfortunately, it'll happen, but it'll pass fairly quickly, just give it about fortnight, and no-one will give your dog a second glance if they can see its well behaved.