Mps Have Voted In Favour Of Assisted Dying.

[sandyRoe]

I hope the safeguards around any proposals are as strong as can be.

[ToraToraTora]

idiots.

[sandyRoe]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/assisted-dying-bill-vote-uk-parliament-labour-starmer-news-b2655810.html

[Old_Geezer]

Not before time too. Although from reports it's a fairly limited version they were discussing.

[youngmafbog]

I am pro assisted dying as everyone on here is probably aware.

But this is too quick, it needs more debate time in Parliament and dare I say it a Referendum given what it is with complete details to the nth degree on what will be implmented.

My greatest fear is that it gets scope creep like Canada by using the law.  The EHCR is ripe for this and we could end up in the same hole as they are.

 

[ToraToraTora]

Give it 10 years and unscrupulous little oiks will be marching granny up to the local exterminator to nick her house before she spends it on care home fees.

[perseverer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c99rzxlv99et

MPs have voted 330 to 275 in support of the assisted dying bill. 

As a reminder, that does not mean the bill has become law, but it allows it to continue for further parliamentary scrutiny with the backing of the elected chamber.

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The vote is only the start of the process and there will be further discussions and debates in the months to come before a final decision is made.

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TORATORATORA, "Give it 10 years and unscrupulous little oiks will be marching granny up to the local exterminator to nick her house before she spends it on care home fees."

Are there instances of that happening in any other countries where assisted dying is permitted?

[fender62]

id want the right to end my life if i was terminal and in agony and no i would not want to linger on pain killers semi comatose with nurses having tend my bodily needs, it's my choice, my dignity, if i want to go then i should have the right, iv watched  my relatives die slowly and in some pain, who said make it go away, iv had enough... you can see it in tears.

[highbury57]

Intelligent responses and Tora Tora Tora. Does the world really need its buffoons?

[ToraToraTora]

" if i want to go then i should have the right, " - you do have the right, OD, jump off of something etc.

The problem with this whole area is that people focus on the wrong thing. Heart rending cases daya after day, yes and they all deserve to dies if they want to and most of them could if they wanted too. But that's not the point. These things get challenged later, look at what is hapenning in Canada, they are almost at the stage of euthanasia they had in Nazi Germany. I just don't trust us as a society to not push the envelope until they are indeed pop in extermination centres dotted all over. I just don't trust the nasties among us.

[jackthehat]

Good.

Now we can sort out a sensible framework of checks and balances to make sure there is no mission-creep and that stringent rules and regulations are drawn-up and adhered to.

[ToraToraTora]

15:00 you should know me old china.

[youngmafbog]

I agree fender but there will be people trying to bump off Granny or people who feel they are a burdon on relatives.  In additon I do worry about future Governments and how they could use it to reduce the grey vote.  We have seen the attutudes to the elderly with this lot.

It is only the first hurdle but thats often the hardest to cross.  Thats why it should have been debated more.

And yes take a look at Canada if you want to see what can happen and before you start Mr Nitpicker it matters not whther it is an oik or any of the above the sentiment from TTT's post remains.

And havnt you learnt yet - he doesnt talk to you.

[youngmafbog]

//Now we can sort out a sensible framework of checks and balances//

I'm afraid whilst the EHCR is in place that cant be one.

[ToraToraTora]

15:04 no, the law is always challengable and will be challenged. Whatever criteria is established will exclude some that think they should be included. They challenge and the parameters move. We can see it with the Canadian experience. We are fortunate to have an example of where it leads right in front of us.

[fender62]

ToraToraTora, thats canada not the uk, we do not have to follow their example, if framed correctly then it would not happen, emotive subject i know.

[youngmafbog]

Fender, the EHCR would just override anything we put in place.

There are numerous examples of that too.

 

[fender62]

youngmafbog, another reason to dump that law, criminals charter imho and another bung to law firms, if reform ever get in power that charter will be erased, make our own bill that suits the uk.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Given the fact that between 40-60% of assisted suicides cases in Oregon and Washington (states where the relevant law is restricted to terminally ill people like this Bill) were based wholly or partly on not wishing to be a burden on family, friends or care-givers, to what extent are we as a society knowingly or unknowingly prompting the concept of ill and disabled people being a burden?