What British Muslims Really Think

[naomi24]

Following my question here…

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1485423.html

…. anyone interested might like to watch this documentary at 10pm on Channel 4 tonight.

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-muslims-really-think

Among the findings listed as ‘more positive’ are these:

//British Muslims are more likely than the rest of the population to feel that they can influence decisions affecting Britain (33% vs 21%

78% of British Muslims would like to integrate into British life on most things apart from Islamic schooling and some laws.//

Positive for whom?

[TWR]

This is the UK, the UK Is Christian, that's what I think! who are we trying to please here? these arabs that think they can dictate to us? Heathrow is not far from Luton, Leeds Bradford is not the far from the City, Rotherham is not far from Manchester and neither is Oldham, Blackburn, Rochdale plenty of flights & cheap, mind you, you don't get the benefits there do they.

[Old_Geezer]

Folk should be allowed religious freedom as long as it conforms to the legal system. It's some of the other aspects that cause concern. Religion being used as an excuse by some for their unacceptable outlook. I still maintain the majority are going to be decent folk. That doesn't mean connected issues should be overlooked though.

I think it means positive in the way one points out it isn't as bad as folk make out. Only 33% are delusional over how much influence they have. Of more concern, 22% don't get what it means to come to another country and adopt it as one's own; and so need to decide whether they should be here at all or whether they will adopt (sufficient of) the culture they wish to join. This rising to a greater % figure when considering education and laws.

But that said there are plenty of over-restrictive laws I think are bad also. Governments have a habit of creating new bad ones that suit their personal desires/beliefs and failing to remove the bad one the last lot got through. Folk have a right to protest and get their government to do the right thing.

[anotheoldgit]

I don't go along with what most of these Channel 4 documentaries have to say.

[Peter Pedant]

thx Nigh
I will click my clicker for it
( after the Good Wife - damn that's tomorrow ! )

AOG try not to be so prejudiced ....

[naomi24]

anotheoldgit, // I don't go along with what most of these Channel 4 documentaries have to say. //

You won't know unless you watch it.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

/// You won't know unless you watch it. ///

Did not say I will not watch it, but like most of Channel 4's propaganda, I will not be brain washed by it.

[naomi24]

Good.

[Quinlad]

Jesus...

[anotheoldgit]

Well here is what Katie Hopkins thought after watching the programme.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539431/KATIE-HOPKINS-British-Muslims-Really-Think-know-s-terrifying.html

[keyplus90]

I watched it. Nothing new.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, we know it’s nothing new to you. This is what you said here years ago:

//So when the time come people in Europe would appreciate that Muslims came here to show them the way.//

//As far as the domination of Islam is concerned. Truth always come out on top, sooner or later. You believe it or not. Your problem.//

[Hypognosis]

@naomi

Well, Christianity sent missionaries all over the world because we thought the natives (as we charmingly referred to the the former landiwners in our colonies) were doing it all wrong.

Keyplus merely expressed his desire for "reverse cultural imperialism", as I like to refer to it.

[naomi24]

Hypognosis, mmm.....

[Hypognosis]

@naomi

It took time (i.e. centuries) but I think we learned our lesson, in the end.

However, it is looking like the rest of the planet is determined to inflict their payback, in perpetuity. Despite approaching 70 years of independence, some act as if the old Empire still owes them British citizenship as if it was an automatic right.

I'm just rambling, here. You'll have to expand upon your "hmm" for me to comprehend it.

[Khandro]

I've just read Katie (thanks AOG) and I don't think I'll bother with the programme I recorded - I've got the t-shirt.

As recently as maybe three years ago, I confess I didn't (like I think many others) know the difference between a Sunni and a Shia, but now thanks to the media and the internet, books, discussion rooms and the like, I think everyone is beginning to realise that we have been sleepwalking towards disaster and political correctness has preventing us from waking up.

Articles like Katie's in a major newspaper would have been unthinkable a few years ago, the net and youtube are now awash with information and opinion.
I think the ball is now in the Muslim camp and they have to look to history and reform or begin to suffer the consequences

[naomi24]

Hypognosis, mmm..... = perhaps.

Khandro, the programme is simply about the results of the survey.

//I think the ball is now in the Muslim camp and they have to look to history and reform or begin to suffer the consequences //

What do you think 'the consequences' are likely to be?

[Svejk]

Hypognosis
@naomi

///Well, Christianity sent missionaries all over the world because we thought the natives (as we charmingly referred to the the former landiwners in our colonies) were doing it all wrong.///

I don't really want to cast aspersions on those natives of yours, hypo. But some of them had some less than right-on habits, like eating each other and chucking their live wives on their funeral pyres.
Generally speaking, they weren't gambolling about in some multi-culti paradise.
So the, possibly misguided, missionaries did believe they were helping the natives, bringing enlightenment. What are your Muslim friends bringing to us?

[naomi24]

Svejk, thank you for answering that. It was such a ridiculous analogy, I couldn't be bothered.

[Answerprancer]

"like most of Channel 4's propaganda, I will not be brain washed by it"
...that's because you're already brainwashed by the Daily Mail.