Post Office - Disclosure And Chief Investigator Crucified

[Peter Pedant]

There is a stream near ch 231 carrying only the Post Office Tribunal.  Steve Bradshaw in the chair and also Records Officer in certain cases.

He had put his signature to a letter dictated by the lawyers usually denying disclosure since there was no problem

and taken thro a whole load emails about the  problems with Horizon that he KNEW about

oo-er M'lud  !

Is anyone else watching ? 

[ichkeria]

Bit extreme.

No, to be honest the whole thing bores me to death. Justice can be done without me looking in I hope.

[Peter Pedant]

depends if you are the innocent party in prison - consigned there by well paid unrepentant suits

[jno]

if he's the nice cop, I don't want to see the nasty cop. "I abhor violence, but my assistant Hugo..."

[sunny-dave]

Doesn't bore me at all - without public pressure (and interest) the scumbags behind the perversion of justice which ruined so many lives would just have smiled away their lives in anonymity - spending the ludicrous 'performance bonuses' which their lies generated.

I've followed this for years in Private Eye and Computer Weekly - railing impotently about the crimes committed in the name of The Post Office - watching chickens come home to roost at last (following the brilliant ITV drama) is deeply satisfying.

[ichkeria]

I'd like to see the tv drama. I'm just not interested in the coverage 

[Peter Pedant]

nasty cop - and yes Steve Bradshaw treated interviews as PACE interviews ( police interviews under caution) and says a lot - I didnt say,

I dont remember them crying....

He has already said " I signed the disclosure list ( there is nothing further to disclose) and didnt look at the content of the letter, I left that to the lawyers"

"But Mr Bradshaw you were not the post-boy, you were the lead investigator" - yes but only for the cash shortfall and not Horizon....

[jno]

with you there, SD, and with PP

[Peter Pedant]

I'd like to see the tv drama.

good three hours - and one hour documentary

which made me wonder ( as they say a few people have been welded together) what really happened.

currently - there were cash flow shortfalls which were prosecuted  - - - " but if you knew this was due to horizon wd you have said so?" -  answer no.

 

that is he knew horizon was faulty and related and still  went ahead with prosecutions

eye boggling stuff

[Peter Pedant]

It is an inquiry and I did wonder about " You said..." " No I didnt...." - but the Judge did say it was his job to decide which one was true.

Steve Bradshaw ( telephone boy or lead investigator we never really found out which) was at the very end confronted with lawyers for the subpost masters

and did they cuss Steve as their clients wanted - Liar! Perjuror ! You killed my baby!

or did they try to get more reluctant info out  of him. (*)

Anyway - tomorrow, more disclosure, this time  from  the so called computer expert - their phrase not mine - who maintained the computer software was robust far beyond the time they knew it wasnt.

(*) very obvious the Post Office are still very anal about information and take  the  view - Horizon was pretty crap, but there was alot going on without the computer system - and so they are still guilty

[jno]

lol yes, what would a post office know about free spreading of information 😡

Sorry, I can't find a boil them in oil emoji

[brainiac]

What a nasty piece of work Bradshaw showed himself to be, and he still works for the Post Office.  Glad everyone now knows what he looks like, and I'm sure he'll be recognised when he's out and about....

[wolf63]

I am not at all clear on how the post office managed to prosecute so many people without suspecting that the computer system system was faulty.

It is inherently improbable that there were so many dishonest sub post-masters.  

It is totally incomprehensible that the post office failed to act after the first handful of cases of suspected fraud.

 

 

[brainiac]

Yes, that is the most mind-boggling thing about this awful scandal: it defies basic common sense.  It seems that the Post Office felt they had passed some sort of 'point-of-no-return' and just kept going.

[Peter Pedant]

It is inherently improbable that there were so many dishonest sub post-masters.   - no I think they thought there was a lot  of fraud out there and horizon was nailing it.

Somewhere in all the paper, there is a trainer (!) who has his debt double before  his very eyes - - he leaves and I think pays off the non-debt

and elsewhere ( Horizon Issues Bates v Post office no 6) Frazer J says that it is obvioous that when there is an audit and a  deficit, it is assumed ( by Bradshaw et al) that it is shortfall due to the SPM and that all that remains is to work out a way to repay

now THAT illuminated quite a lot of todays evidence.

Tomorrow: the man who said horizons was OK - when he knew it wasnt !

[wolf63]

Being punished for a crime that you didn't commit and being branded as a dishonest person is something I could not live with.

 No punishment meted out to those responsible for this **  will ever be enough to compensate for so many ruined lives.

** I can't think of a word to describe this total mess.

[tomus42]

Karma. If only he could be imprisoned as the people he interrogated were.

[jno]

you never know, the evidence might disclose something about perverting the course of justice, which is a serious matter.

[tomus42]

Fingers crossed. People go to jail for saying they where driving when it was their spouse that was speeding. This seems worse.

[Canary42]

As already mentioned, here and elsewhere, the most amazing aspect is that P O Management really thought that over 100 postmasters had suddenly decided to turn to crime.  This thinking is so utterly utterly bizarre, one wonders whether they actually ought to be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.

[tomus42]

//the most amazing aspect is that P O Management really thought that over 100 postmasters had suddenly decided to turn to crime //

This is the whole point. They didn't. They knew it was faulty software but decided to throw the minions under the bus to to protect themselves.