Why Does Labour Find Prosperity So Offensive?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32142304
High earners already pay more tax, that's how proportional systems work.

[Gromit]

Venator,
The UK deficit is a matter of public record. If you google it you will find plenty of similar graphs. I liked this one because it showed the deficit by chancellor. It also illustrated that the Conservatives only achieved a surplus (a balancing of the books and a profit) in only two of their 18 year Thatcher-Major era.

So this talk of a Conservative prosperity is all hog-wash. History and the figures disprove it.

[Gromit]

Dave50

It is a balance. To even contemplate tax cuts when we are borrowing so much money is reckless.

All partoes agree the deficit needs to be reduced. Spending cuts save money, tax changes can raise more money.

Closing tax avoidance loopholes is one way of raising more tax.

For the Consevatives to hit their target, many economists believe they will have to increase VAT which is why Labour asked them if they plan to do that.

They denied a VAT increase was planned, but they denied it in 2010 and then Osborne increase it by 2.5% in his first budget.

[naomi24]

According to Gromit’s chart, the deficit was greatest under the last Labour government, and has reduced consistently year by year under this government. That seems like good news.

[Gromit]

Public spending has not been cut. It is higher now than it was in 2009.

But they are raising more money from us in tax. And they are borrowing more. Investment (in the economy) has halved from £55billion in 2009 to £26billion in 2013.

[naomi24]

//Public spending has not been cut. It is higher now than it was in 2009. //

Careful Gromit! Carry on like that and you'll have all the Labour stalwarts voting Conservative! ;o)

[Gromit]

Naomi,
I confess, I was surprised. I assume the Government was spending less not more. I cannot find the figure for the whole of 2014, the last full year I can find is 2013.

Coalition Government xpenditure in 2013 was £637 billion.
The last full year of the Labour Government, 2009 expenditure was £562 billion.

[ichkeria]

It doesn't of course follow that the people who are the wealthiest work the hardest

[venator]

Gromit - you are living in cloud cuckoo land, wearing your rose red spectacles.

From your unsubstantiated assertions, this country must now be in total ruin and bankruptcy.

So why is employment at a record low, growth the highest in Europe etc etc

One of my best pals is an unreformed 1960s Communist party member. He's a bit sad now, but like you, he clings to an unrealistic perversion of history

[Gromit]

Venator,

No unsubstantiated assertions in my posts. All checkable facts. If there is anything there you don't believe, feel free to post corrections.

[Gromit]

So why is... growth the highest in Europe?


It isn't, Ireland's growth last year was the highest in Europe.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/irelands-gdp-growth-fastest-in-eu-318137.html

[Gromit]

// So why is employment at a record low? //

It isn't. Unemployment was lower throughout most of the Blair years until the crash in 2008. Unemployment is not at a record low, it is the lowest since 2008.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2919722/Unemployment-falls-lowest-level-six-years-58-000-work-just-three-months-pay-finally-taken-off.html

[sevenOP]

"To each according to his contribution." is another socialist saying but conveniently ignored.

I see naomi24 goes for the Ayn Rand interpretation of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need", showing a selective interpretation analogous to some 'believers'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_need#References_in_popular_culture


Deskdiary>"Those with the broadest shoulders already are carrying the heavier burden - twas ever thus. "

not relative to their income and standard of living, and that will probably ever be thus.

Quizmonster, unless they are shills, the brainwashing propaganda got them and has proven is expenditure.

The subservience to and continuing belief in what information their chosen rulers feed them ensures their own continued exploitation. ( and unfortunately that of everyone else.)

[Quizmonster]

I'm sorry, SevenOP, but I have no idea what the paragraph you addressed to me...

"Unless they are shills, the brainwashing propaganda got them and has proven is expenditure"

...actually means!

[sevenOP]

Quizmonster, " some people" , your post 08:19 Thu 02nd Apr 2015.

[naomi24]

sevenOP, no interpretation needed. That's the reality of what happens when this mantra is adopted.

[sevenOP]

Where has this 'mantra' been adopted ?

[Quizmonster]

A shill is an accomplice or decoy involved with a trickster, so I can't really see how that accords with the phrase, "some people", as I used it. My answer clearly meant that I thought Gromit was telling the truth and those opposing him on this thread were wrong...plus that they were never likely to grasp that fact, however often he told them.
Indeed, "brainwashing propaganda" may well have induced that state in them, but what on earth does "has proven is expenditure" mean?

[yansee]

I don`t think Labour are against prosperity but are for fairness,a lot of wealthy people get away with tax evasion while the workers would be jumped on by HMRC,what`s wrong with paying tax it`s better than making drastic cuts that effect the sick,disabled & the working poor

[sevenOP]

Quizmonster, propaganda has a cost i.e. Public Relations Industry, advertising.( trolls may get paid too )

[Quizmonster]

SevenOP, perhaps you should have said, "brainwashing propaganda has got them and has proven to be expensive." The word-sequence, "has proven is expensive" is grammatically meaningless, but what the hey! I'll leave it there.