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Inquiry To Examine Claims Of Abuse By Cyril Smith In Rochdale
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^ unless we stop such interference in cases that it does not suit the government or those in high office, we will NEVER be able to be sure that ''Today's messes '' will ever be properly and rigorously investigated
07:57 Mon 09th Oct 2017
^ unless we stop such interference in cases that it does not suit the government or those in high office, we will NEVER be able to be sure that ''Today's messes '' will ever be properly and rigorously investigated.
In this case , which is easily the worst I have heard of, the police were ordered to close the investigation and destroy evidence by clear misuse of the official secrets act. Those are NOT the actions of a democratic state, they are those of a dictatorship , somewhere like the old USSR or modern day North Korea.
In this case , which is easily the worst I have heard of, the police were ordered to close the investigation and destroy evidence by clear misuse of the official secrets act. Those are NOT the actions of a democratic state, they are those of a dictatorship , somewhere like the old USSR or modern day North Korea.
kvalidir, as this enquiry will not prove one way or another whether Cyril Smith was guilty or not I really dont get the argument of people who were allegedly abused will be happier. IT will simply be trial by Media which I abhor.
//There is plenty of money available for both to happen. //
So why do you bang on about Police cuts then?
//There is plenty of money available for both to happen. //
So why do you bang on about Police cuts then?
Regardless of whether you believe that justice is served by investigating and prosecuting old men for historical sexual abuse of children, surely you must want investigations made into the conditions which existed which enabled this abuse to proceed unhindered?
Who were the shadowy figures who decided that it was preferable to allow these men unfettered access to the children...... who threw many bags of spanners into the works of investigations......and why?
Finding these answers may help ensure that the wholesale abuse of vulnerable children in 'Care' can never happen again.
Who were the shadowy figures who decided that it was preferable to allow these men unfettered access to the children...... who threw many bags of spanners into the works of investigations......and why?
Finding these answers may help ensure that the wholesale abuse of vulnerable children in 'Care' can never happen again.
// Who were the shadowy figures who decided that it was preferable to allow these men unfettered access to the children...... who threw many bags of spanners into the works of investigations......and why? //
If I thought for one minute that an inquiry would name names of those who let this happen, then I would support it. But no one will be named, it is a fatuous exercise.
If I thought for one minute that an inquiry would name names of those who let this happen, then I would support it. But no one will be named, it is a fatuous exercise.
"Those are NOT the actions of a democratic state, they are those of a dictatorship , somewhere like the old USSR or modern day North Korea."
I disagree, it's something far, far worse, friends with influence in high places.
Most wishing to lead and ultimately control the rest of us bear watching, it's not normal.
I disagree, it's something far, far worse, friends with influence in high places.
Most wishing to lead and ultimately control the rest of us bear watching, it's not normal.
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Evidence was gathered on Smith but taken away under the Official Secrets Act. That evidence no longer exists, presumed destroyed.
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Evidence was gathered on Smith but taken away under the Official Secrets Act. That evidence no longer exists, presumed destroyed.
Talbot....If you read the book that I mentioned earlier, there is firm evidence that the Police investigation into Smith was abandoned, under instructions from MI5, and the two Officers in charge of the case were threatened with the Official Secrets Act, and told to hand over all these case papers. :::::
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There was a giant cover-up of Smith's long history of abuse, mainly because so many others were involved.
To put it simply, he knew where the bodies were buried and if he had been prosecuted, there would have been an almighty scandal....he was protected.
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There was a giant cover-up of Smith's long history of abuse, mainly because so many others were involved.
To put it simply, he knew where the bodies were buried and if he had been prosecuted, there would have been an almighty scandal....he was protected.
YMB...the authorities most certainly DID know what went on, but either did nothing about it, or stifled the investigations.
I have said this already this morning. When the Smith case is included under the auspices of the Enquiry, it will be to find out why he wasn't investigated properly, not whether he was guilty or not, of which there no longer any doubt.
I have said this already this morning. When the Smith case is included under the auspices of the Enquiry, it will be to find out why he wasn't investigated properly, not whether he was guilty or not, of which there no longer any doubt.
I do suspect you are right but I dislike trial by media, particularly against the dead. Believe me, if he, or any of the others, were still alive I would be pressing for a trial.
However without a trial we cannot be sure. For instance how do we actually know the evidence was 100% kosher and, I know given the size of Cyril, it wasn't a case of mistaken identity?
Unless you have direct knowledge of it of course.
However without a trial we cannot be sure. For instance how do we actually know the evidence was 100% kosher and, I know given the size of Cyril, it wasn't a case of mistaken identity?
Unless you have direct knowledge of it of course.
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