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Does anyone understand what's going on in China as regards the govt's obsession with zero Covid and it's constant lockdowns etc? These are inevitably leading to civil unrest.
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I am sure they have their own vaccines now or can import them...back when it all kicked off, maybe not. //
Not - apparently.
I was listening to an expert on Radio Four today who confirmed that the vaccines the Chinese have developed themselves are unreliable, and they appear reluctant to import any proven ones from the West.
I am sure they have their own vaccines now or can import them...back when it all kicked off, maybe not. //
Not - apparently.
I was listening to an expert on Radio Four today who confirmed that the vaccines the Chinese have developed themselves are unreliable, and they appear reluctant to import any proven ones from the West.
You should think yourself lucky. There are quite a few people in this country who would have seen a similar strategy adopted.
The latest lockdowns are in response to the highest daily number 0f infections recorded for some time - 32,000. This is in a country with a population more than twenty times greater than the UK. There were times in January of this year when the UK was recording over 100,000 new infections daily. China will lock down big towns and cities if a single infection is recorded among the huge numbers of tests they carry out each day.
It's utter lunacy and they will either have to admit their strategy is wrong or continue it forever because there is no way they will prevent Covid from spreading.
The latest lockdowns are in response to the highest daily number 0f infections recorded for some time - 32,000. This is in a country with a population more than twenty times greater than the UK. There were times in January of this year when the UK was recording over 100,000 new infections daily. China will lock down big towns and cities if a single infection is recorded among the huge numbers of tests they carry out each day.
It's utter lunacy and they will either have to admit their strategy is wrong or continue it forever because there is no way they will prevent Covid from spreading.
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So, I'll bite on this. I'm no expert. That is to say, I've dropped to the lower part of the Dunning-Kruger curve. I have not yet climbed to the top, but I have a team in China; I talk to them regularly; I follow some very smart people who are toward the top of the Dunning-Kruger curve.
China's economy is suffering badly from the lock-downs. Let no-one kid you, there are extensive and widespread lock downs. It used to be city-by-city. Now it is apartment-block by block. Someone in your apartment block tests positive; the whole block is locked down.
Apartment blocks in China have only one (or maybe two) entrances, so that the Party can keep tabs on who goes in or out. Those entrances can be locked. With padlocks if necessary.
This happened in Urumqi (Capital of Xinjiang Province). The block was sealed off. A fire broke out. People died. Han Chinese; not the Uyghurs.
Han Chinese people are dying. Businesses across the country are failing because of the lock-downs.
We are seeing public protests against Xi Jinping. It is completely extraordinary. Thousands of Han Chinese chanting “习近平下台.” (Xi Jinping resign) in public; in front of police.
I need to emphasise how extraordinary this is. Everyone in China knows that this kind of chanting risks imprisonment of self and family for years.
Yet they do it.
They do it in a society where conformity is the norm and individualism is frowned on by friends, neighbours and the Party.
If the police & army who are sent in to control the protests switch sides in a major city, then my China-watcher friends say Xi has a real problem.
Do I agree? from my position of poor China-watcher, I disagree. I think Xi is too firmly entrenched, but then what do I know? But I do think something in China is changing. The volume of the protests is much greater than anyone has ever seen.
Is this a second Tianenmen Square? I don't know, but my friends tell me that they expect something similar in the coming weeks. And the result could go either way.
If the tanks roll in and murder protesters, it strengthens Xi. If the army disobeys, then Xi – despite removing rivals at the recent Party congress – is massively weakened.
China's economy is suffering badly from the lock-downs. Let no-one kid you, there are extensive and widespread lock downs. It used to be city-by-city. Now it is apartment-block by block. Someone in your apartment block tests positive; the whole block is locked down.
Apartment blocks in China have only one (or maybe two) entrances, so that the Party can keep tabs on who goes in or out. Those entrances can be locked. With padlocks if necessary.
This happened in Urumqi (Capital of Xinjiang Province). The block was sealed off. A fire broke out. People died. Han Chinese; not the Uyghurs.
Han Chinese people are dying. Businesses across the country are failing because of the lock-downs.
We are seeing public protests against Xi Jinping. It is completely extraordinary. Thousands of Han Chinese chanting “习近平下台.” (Xi Jinping resign) in public; in front of police.
I need to emphasise how extraordinary this is. Everyone in China knows that this kind of chanting risks imprisonment of self and family for years.
Yet they do it.
They do it in a society where conformity is the norm and individualism is frowned on by friends, neighbours and the Party.
If the police & army who are sent in to control the protests switch sides in a major city, then my China-watcher friends say Xi has a real problem.
Do I agree? from my position of poor China-watcher, I disagree. I think Xi is too firmly entrenched, but then what do I know? But I do think something in China is changing. The volume of the protests is much greater than anyone has ever seen.
Is this a second Tianenmen Square? I don't know, but my friends tell me that they expect something similar in the coming weeks. And the result could go either way.
If the tanks roll in and murder protesters, it strengthens Xi. If the army disobeys, then Xi – despite removing rivals at the recent Party congress – is massively weakened.
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It's nothing to do with vaccines, they are not needed for the vast majority of the people they lock up if any at all.
Too many have now been educated in the West and like the Western way of life. The Chinese Government, although having encouraged this, now doesnt like the results and is clamping down. It is all about control.
My nephew lives and teaches in China, it is very unsettling at the moment out there.
Too many have now been educated in the West and like the Western way of life. The Chinese Government, although having encouraged this, now doesnt like the results and is clamping down. It is all about control.
My nephew lives and teaches in China, it is very unsettling at the moment out there.
I'm still none the wiser.
I don't believe the regime there gives much of a cuff about the wellbeing of the people for starters, so what's the motivation behind a strategy that fosters such unrest?
I would expect them to just let it run it's course and then lie about the numbers. They can't be stupid enough to think they can control the spread of it forever?
I don't believe the regime there gives much of a cuff about the wellbeing of the people for starters, so what's the motivation behind a strategy that fosters such unrest?
I would expect them to just let it run it's course and then lie about the numbers. They can't be stupid enough to think they can control the spread of it forever?
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