Am I being a dingbat?

[Velvetee]

I'm sure I'm right, but before I take this further, can someone tell me if I'm being a bit dim.

I have a new line manager at work. I'm contracted to work 20 hours per week and due to take holiday, which is allocated in hours for part-timers. In September, I will be taking 20 hours.

For instance I usually work two 8 hour shifts and one 4 hour shift every week. This would mean I would have the whole week off, including the 4 days I don't work.

My new manager has me on the rota to work 8 hours on the Wednesday, 8 hours Thursday and 4 hours Friday. He has my holiday begining on the Saturday of that same week.

Now surely this is wrong, as he has put me down for holiday on 2 days I would not be at work, surely he should have started my holiday from the following week, so I would have the entire week off, my 20 hours, plus the days I don't work?

Am I right or is he?

[Panic Button]

You can't be on leave on your days off, or have I misunderstood.

[Velvetee]

Exactly Panic, so he should not have included those days I'm not working as holiday. I tried to explain this to him, but he couldn't get it.

[buildersmate]

You are absolutely right, V.
As a part-timer working shifts of different lengths your holiday MUST be converted into a number of hours per year, then you take that holiday in hours. Every shift that you do not work that you were due to work, counts as holiday. That's it - really simple.
If your manager still doesn't get it, ask him why he doesn't count the Saturdays and Sundays as 'holiday' for the full-timers when they are away - it would be the same ridiculous principle applied.

[saxy_jag]

Yep, agreed. For all your manager knows, you could have another job for those two days that you may actually be working at that week, so you can't be made to use holiday entitlement to cover days when you wouldn't be there anyway.

I have a similar contract, and if I want a week off (22 hours over three days), then I book leave only for the Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday that I would be working.

However, on my leave sheet, I still have to put my last working day as the Friday before and my first day back as the Tuesday the following week, but I still only have to book 3 days/22 hours (we have to put them both) on my leave sheet. I am only 'charged' three days' leave.

[Velvetee]

Thanks everyone, some good points made there Buildersmate and Saxy Jag. I'll just inform him, my holiday days will commence on Monday 29th September and I'll be off for that whole week, my 20 hours and the days I'm not scheduled to work. I'll return to work week commencing Monday 6th october. I bet he'll put me down on rota to come back before then.

[saxy_jag]

I meant to ask - do you have a separate HR or payroll department where you work? If you have, it would be worth speaking to them direct. You would be entitled to do so.

[stonekicker]

he sounds like a right tw@t! how on earth did he get to be a manager if he can't even work that out? of course you should have one week off and only use 20 hours of your allocated annual leave entitlement. i do wonder what the world is coming to these days...surely this is just common sense, not rocket science? well done you for being a patient and courteous employee - i'm not sure i'd have managed it myself...