The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

[sandyRoe]

While I'm not suggesting that the AB atheists are the worst, this line might explain why the atheist v theist debate seems so one sided.
Agree?

[naomi24]

Sith, //Naomi, you are saying that i am doing nothing to stop it.//

You’re making it up again. What I said is that you continue to make excuses for it, and in refusing to criticise the perpetrators, you are, in effect, condoning it.

As for the rest of your post, ‘shooting the messenger’ is evidence of a deficient argument. It’s the coward’s way. You have no idea what I do in real life. And do please stop talking about common sense. If reading your posts is anything to go by, that is something you have no experience of.

So let us examine your argument and attempt to reach a rational conclusion. You do not agree with it, you think it is wrong, but you will not criticise your religion. Well, you have. If you think it is wrong, then it follows that you think the Koran is wrong, because that condones it - and it also follows that you think Mohammed was wrong, because he was all for it.

[RATTER15]

I just wont argue with these fools any more, I just find the whole thought of Muslims, filthy, perverse and disgusting in the extreme.

[jomifl]

Steady on Ratter old chap I'm sure they aren't all like Sith and Keyplus :-)

[mibn2cweus]

//Steady on Ratter old chap I'm sure they aren't all like Sith and Keyplus :-)//

But they are bargaining with the same devil . . . ambiguity.

Belief in the arbitrary, no matter how innocent in intent, lends legitimacy to the arbitrary beliefs of another in that they are no less validated by their lack of correlation to reality with the 'worst' willing to kill in support of their arbitrary beliefs over who rules the heavens while the 'best' knell idly by praying on behalf of their own arbitrary belief to be forgiven for their complicity.

[sith123]

jom, this may come as a suprise to you but as part of friday prayer they do sermons (speeches) and this was one of the topics. Child marriages and the mosques raised money for islamic aid (a muslim charity) to suuport young people.

Apart from that it is the people who live in those countries duties to stop it.

If islam was that bad a religion than how come many people are converting, men and women and children, even after all the things that are being said in the media like 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings?



and there are many others. Now i know your excuse is going to be high birth rates and marriages and all that, which i am not saying isnt true, yes those are some of the reasons but if islam was that bad how come so many people convert to islam even with all the bad things being said about it? surely they cannot all be mad? I mean they have all the reasons to hate islam because of the media, yet they choose to convert. why? they study it. realise it is not about killing innocent people and they realise what jihad really is. Not this twisted version al qaeda give you. Jihad is a personal struggle, this is higher jihad, lower jihad is defence, not attack.

In the end you can say all you like about islam, call it crap if you want, but if that was the case than how come it is one of the fastest growing religions in the world with one of the most converts. Even after all these attrocities? it is because they have faith? faith in god? you may call me misguided for saying this, but than again, i am pretty much getting used to it from you.

[sith123]

Just a few other links:




http://www.huffington...onverts_n_935572.html

[jomifl]

So is that all there is? s0d the philosophy, it's all about numbers so follow the herd?

[naomi24]

Sith, //Apart from that it is the people who live in those countries duties to stop it. //

Stop making excuses. Those people are living in this country now - and you are rubbing shoulders with them.

[beso]

birdie to sith //Your religious belief has altered your perception of morality. I think you know right from wrong. The problem is, your religion is telling you that wrong is right in this case. This presents you with a dilemma.//

It is called Cognitive Dissonance.

http://en.wikipedia.o.../Cognitive_dissonance

It is interesting to see how sith deals with it.

[jomifl]

Birdie, A good analysis of Sith's predicament, he is in deep shark infested waters which he mistook for a paddling pool..poor s0d.

[sith123]

no birdie, i am answering your question. You are all saying that islam is so bad on girls and women. However there are lots of girls and women converting to islam? that goes against what you are saying. If what you said was true than less should be converting and more should be leaving. Open your eyes, that is not the truth. It is obvious that women are converting to islam, even after everything they hear.

//Stop making excuses. Those people are living in this country now - and you are rubbing shoulders with them.//

Oh, so they have all moved into England now? wow.

[naomi24]

Sith, //Oh, so they have all moved into England now? wow.//

You make yourself more ridiculous with every post. I’ll say the same to you as I said to Keyplus on another thread. Your fundamental problem is that you think Islam is beyond reproach – but it isn’t – and neither are some of its people. What those people do is morally wrong – and you know it.

[sith123]

...and i know my naswer as i have answered it several times and every time you fail to accept it.

[sith123]

*answer

[naomi24]

Birdie, you'll get no sense out of him.