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can someone, anyone explain what exactly is the fundamental reason we will still have to give the EU 39 billion - its going to be more than that according to the Live Commons debate, though i don't know how much more.
there is no link as such, i would just like to know.
there is no link as such, i would just like to know.
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Most of the world (Economicall
17:04 Thu 22nd Nov 2018
> I find it very depressing to see so many people on AB so keen to kiss the EU's Rse.
No, I think it should cost us the minimum we can legally get away with. Note that our total costs include not only what we pay to the EU, but what we don't receive from the EU and the rest of the world in terms of loss of trade, repayments of loans, etc etc should we show ourselves to be a nation that's prepared to renege on its deals.
No, I think it should cost us the minimum we can legally get away with. Note that our total costs include not only what we pay to the EU, but what we don't receive from the EU and the rest of the world in terms of loss of trade, repayments of loans, etc etc should we show ourselves to be a nation that's prepared to renege on its deals.
Emmie she is intractable because she didn’t write it. Olly Robins and the EU did. They basically said sign this or we make your life hell.
And May and a large part of Parliament are out of touch with the general public but have been backed into a corner and like Cameron before her is pretending with all her might that this is a good deal and hoping to fool the country.
I think she honestly believes that if she says enough times ‘it’s a good deal, it’s a good deal, it’s a good deal people will eventually be fooled enough to believe her.
And May and a large part of Parliament are out of touch with the general public but have been backed into a corner and like Cameron before her is pretending with all her might that this is a good deal and hoping to fool the country.
I think she honestly believes that if she says enough times ‘it’s a good deal, it’s a good deal, it’s a good deal people will eventually be fooled enough to believe her.
Generally speaking if you contract to do something and then say - "oh no forget it" -
then the lucky loser can claim his losses which were er lost by the calling off the whole shebang.
commercial contracts - if you lease premises for a year and say after 5 m "ooops I dont want it any more" - then they will chase you for the other 7 months ....
you can just say - "I will do things" and then
"oh no I have decided not to - bear your own losses goodbye"
then the lucky loser can claim his losses which were er lost by the calling off the whole shebang.
commercial contracts - if you lease premises for a year and say after 5 m "ooops I dont want it any more" - then they will chase you for the other 7 months ....
you can just say - "I will do things" and then
"oh no I have decided not to - bear your own losses goodbye"
Some good answers- eg from PP (I think), Ellipses, Ickeria plus lots of stuff from people who are misinformed/don't understand/pretend not to understand the realities of life . Most or maybe all of it are a commitment for future benefits, pension obligations. We could walk away and refuse to pay but who will ever trust us again? What will it do for the reputation of UK? Anway, with savings of £350m a week (or maybe half that) we'll recoup the money within a few years
Ah the usual condescending ZM when he doesnt agree.
No arguments, just name calling.
I think Cassa has it correct. Most of the World, particularly the USA dislike the EU and any dealings with them are always fraught - so they would get it.
Yes, we should pay for pensions - for our people and any projects we would like to continue and are allowed to take part in. But nothing we are going to be shut out of.
No arguments, just name calling.
I think Cassa has it correct. Most of the World, particularly the USA dislike the EU and any dealings with them are always fraught - so they would get it.
Yes, we should pay for pensions - for our people and any projects we would like to continue and are allowed to take part in. But nothing we are going to be shut out of.
> Most of the world (Economically) is watching this.
Agreed.
> If we walk away and pay nothing with a full explanation of why the rest would understand that.
They would understand that we will walk away from our commitments, and pay nothing that we're contractually obliged to pay, as long as we have a "full explanation". If you think they'll take from that "These are honourable and trustworthy people to deal with" then you are sadly misguided. How would they know that, should we deal with them, we wouldn't renege on our deal with what we - not they - consider to be a "full explanation"?
> However to capitulate and pay over the odds and the world will look on and know the UK is a soft touch and every con man government will do its best to do the same.
Nobody is saying we should "capitulate" or "pay over the odds" and if we did do that then we would be a soft touch. We simply have to pay our dues.
If this is a divorce then the EU and the UK are the parents, and the projects we've already committed to are the children. We're the parent that's leaving. We have to pay maintenance on our children until they've grown up, but not any other children the remaining parent may subsequently give birth to.
Agreed.
> If we walk away and pay nothing with a full explanation of why the rest would understand that.
They would understand that we will walk away from our commitments, and pay nothing that we're contractually obliged to pay, as long as we have a "full explanation". If you think they'll take from that "These are honourable and trustworthy people to deal with" then you are sadly misguided. How would they know that, should we deal with them, we wouldn't renege on our deal with what we - not they - consider to be a "full explanation"?
> However to capitulate and pay over the odds and the world will look on and know the UK is a soft touch and every con man government will do its best to do the same.
Nobody is saying we should "capitulate" or "pay over the odds" and if we did do that then we would be a soft touch. We simply have to pay our dues.
If this is a divorce then the EU and the UK are the parents, and the projects we've already committed to are the children. We're the parent that's leaving. We have to pay maintenance on our children until they've grown up, but not any other children the remaining parent may subsequently give birth to.
