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Thought it interesting, as a political exercise, that the message from Farage was understated and calm and that the broadcast was so lacking in the stridency one might expect from UKIP.
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Yes. A lot of UKIP members seem, at least to me, to be worrying. The point I have been trying to make that they seem to be doing well in the polls and, in my view, I thought last night's election broadcast to be cleverly conceived, agree or not with the sentiments delivered. It's about effective, productive political campaigning and UKIP seem to be doing rather better than others.
now that they have what they think is a whiff of electoral success they are frantically trying to look mainstream. This sounds counterproductive to me: their appeal to their voters is that they aren't remotely mainstream. If they gain a few Tory voters but lose their core supporters who think Miliband is a Pole and Africans should be left to kill themselves, I can't see that helping them electorally.
But it is not going to be whiff is it...And I don't any more believe that their vote is going to come overwhelmingly from the Right.
Think that, as has happened so many times before, here and in the rest of Europe, that the message, such as it is, appeals to traditionally Tory voters but also, crucially, to those who might be described, however wrongly, as working class.
People are cross about the EU and what are perceived to beoverly-tolerant rules about immigration.
It's never about reality, it's about perception - the two, not always, but often, being estranged.
Think that, as has happened so many times before, here and in the rest of Europe, that the message, such as it is, appeals to traditionally Tory voters but also, crucially, to those who might be described, however wrongly, as working class.
People are cross about the EU and what are perceived to beoverly-tolerant rules about immigration.
It's never about reality, it's about perception - the two, not always, but often, being estranged.
I think there are quite a few people who are almost convinced that the Ukip party are the ones to vote for. Labour and the Lib/Dems have nothing to promote, the Tories are giving the same old promises, but will we really have a referendum - in out or will the voters be given yet another excuse to stay with the EU. That is the main problem facing Britain, the EU and immigration and Farage is saying what we want to hear. Although timely words from the knuckle dragger who spouted about the Africans today will make most would-be voters think again about who or what party they are joining.
It is an interesting point you make Old Geezer but being perceived to be mainstream and alternative at the same time is a tall order.
That said, UKIP have clearly connected with the Conservative base - your mainstream - while, at the same time, somehow, attracting people from other traditions and those of none.
It may say a lot about the major parties that, at least in membership terms, they have, over the last 20 or so years, spectacularly failed to do that. Is the likelihood that our political malaise might be prodded into something approaching breathing, even if only shallowly. I think that the system needs a good kick. Might be good for all.
That said, UKIP have clearly connected with the Conservative base - your mainstream - while, at the same time, somehow, attracting people from other traditions and those of none.
It may say a lot about the major parties that, at least in membership terms, they have, over the last 20 or so years, spectacularly failed to do that. Is the likelihood that our political malaise might be prodded into something approaching breathing, even if only shallowly. I think that the system needs a good kick. Might be good for all.
Yes. A lot of UKIP members seem, at least to me, to be worrying. The point I have been trying to make that they seem to be doing well in the polls and, in my view, I thought last night's election broadcast to be cleverly conceived, agree or not with the sentiments delivered. It's about effective, productive political campaigning and UKIP seem to be doing rather better than others.
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Can't argue with that assessment. The mood of the electorate that won't be voting UKIP is one where they're too quick to dismiss them out of hand as also rans. The general mood I hear amongst relatives, friends and colleagues would suggest an undercurrent is brewing, whereby they've had enough of the norm, the lies, deceit and "we are all in this together" bullsh!t whilst watching bankers get their bonuses for failure and MP's having above inflation pay rise recommendations as the electorate have their pensions eroded.
Yes, UKIP have the odd nutter in their midst. Farage and his party appear to deal with and oust them swiftly, yet when a government minister attempts to block and deflect enquiries into her mortgage affairs she provides a 32 second apology and the PM backs her to the hilt!
The relatives, friends and colleagues I spoke of earlier have all expressed to one degree or another some of the sentiments of UKIP and some will be voting as such, which they've never done before.
People have had enough and I just laugh when I hear the ostrich attitude of some on here who brand UKIP as a 'minor political party'. They've been given a platform on the back of that clown Clegg and are now a force to be reckoned with. Many people need to wake up and smell what they're shovelling, UKIP won't go away whilst you have your head in the sand.
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Can't argue with that assessment. The mood of the electorate that won't be voting UKIP is one where they're too quick to dismiss them out of hand as also rans. The general mood I hear amongst relatives, friends and colleagues would suggest an undercurrent is brewing, whereby they've had enough of the norm, the lies, deceit and "we are all in this together" bullsh!t whilst watching bankers get their bonuses for failure and MP's having above inflation pay rise recommendations as the electorate have their pensions eroded.
Yes, UKIP have the odd nutter in their midst. Farage and his party appear to deal with and oust them swiftly, yet when a government minister attempts to block and deflect enquiries into her mortgage affairs she provides a 32 second apology and the PM backs her to the hilt!
The relatives, friends and colleagues I spoke of earlier have all expressed to one degree or another some of the sentiments of UKIP and some will be voting as such, which they've never done before.
People have had enough and I just laugh when I hear the ostrich attitude of some on here who brand UKIP as a 'minor political party'. They've been given a platform on the back of that clown Clegg and are now a force to be reckoned with. Many people need to wake up and smell what they're shovelling, UKIP won't go away whilst you have your head in the sand.
They are just a bit more subtle because as soon as the public realise that they are being duped they will be history.
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Like they pretty much have been by successive governments for the last 20 years you mean? How many were duped by Clegg? Did OK in the TV debates beforehand, only to break his student loan pledge the second he's in office?! He shattered any honesty and integrity he had in one fell swoop, to the point where the Lib Dems, part of a government coalition no less are now pretty much considered a joke.
At least Farage answers questions in a forthright manner and defends himself robustly. He at the very least has a spine.
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Like they pretty much have been by successive governments for the last 20 years you mean? How many were duped by Clegg? Did OK in the TV debates beforehand, only to break his student loan pledge the second he's in office?! He shattered any honesty and integrity he had in one fell swoop, to the point where the Lib Dems, part of a government coalition no less are now pretty much considered a joke.
At least Farage answers questions in a forthright manner and defends himself robustly. He at the very least has a spine.
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The Knuckle dragger was not Farage, I beleive there is another post about this.
The Knuckle dragger was not Farage, I beleive there is another post about this.
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