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People, as always , I feel as if a weight has been lifted by talking about it. Your answers are welcome and constructive. The beasts have paid their way...so no cost to us, I haven't known youngsters like this sit together for hours and play either Xbox or magic ( card game) . They are so sloppy. I have told him indoors, if they come again , I am off to his mother's ! I don't drink much, however I had a brandy last night !. Their idleness and habits are driving me nuts and my OH says it is doing him in too ! Yet he won't holler at them ! Doh.