Women, Blacks, Gays, Paedophiles

[Oneeyedvic]

Okay, following on from the topic regarding the homosexuals and the B&B, this is purely for a topic of debate (please do not get heated)and I am playing devils advocate.

100 years ago, women had very few rights. Today they are seen as having equal rights.

70 years ago (more so in the US than here), blacks had very few rights - today they are seen as having equal rights.

50 years ago, homosexuals had no rights - today they are seen as having equal rights.

Indeed, it was indeed illegal to be gay, you were allowed to beat your wife as well as your (black) slave.

How long before paedophiles are seen as an 'acceptable' minority.

In fact there needs to be two separate sides to this as we need to define what a paedophile is (or rather the age of the victim)

1) consider a paedophile to be interested in girls who have not reached puberty
2) who have reached puberty - Since the law tends to deal with ages, let us say (for the purposes of argument) 13

Your thoughts?

[zzxxee]

i have no thoughts on this how can you you say peodophiles will be accepted ?

[237SJ]

Blimey, that`s a bit sick. Women, gays and blacks should be rightly insulted that you have used them as an analogy with paedophiles

[tiggerblue10]

If the person/child is under 16 then it is illegal in Britain is it not.

[mccfluff]

nver i would hope, i can;t see myself living in a society that condones abuse of children

i consider a peadophile to be somone who abuses children

[jackthehat]

I'd like to think that this thread will stay mature and balanced, but have a feeling that it won't.

I also believe that there is a difference between those born with innate 'paedophilia' and those who, having been abused themselves, go on to abuse others.

I'm not sure that much can be done with or for the former, but am pretty sure that some in the latter group can be helped.

[sandyRoe]

Paedophiles will never be an accepted minority. Just because some groups that were discriminated against in the past are getting a semblance of equality doesn't mean people who set out to destroy the lives of children should be treated the same.

[ljdksa]

I think equality for everybody is completely right and fair. However, I think people who commit crimes do not deserve the same rights and respect. I also think a paedophile is perhaps more about the age GAP, than actual age maybe? Although, perhaps illegal, I would be less worried about two fifteen year olds than a 40 yr old man and 16 yr old girl. Maybe it's the level of control that's the problem?

[pa___ul3]

ooh you've got pips! That's surely completely based on the legal view of childhood and adulthood, that a child cannot be seen to be making their own decisions (hence requiring parental - loco parental consent). The actual practice of paedophilia is completely wrong, legally it is not consentual and therefore can never be accepted. Moreover, as I said the AOG, it's not about majority vs minority it's about equality, after all, the whites were the minority in pre-apartheid SA weren't they?

[zzxxee]

when you consider years ago people in the uk married at 13 in say Elizabethan times, the law put the age of marriage up for a reason and i cant see it reversing

[Oneeyedvic]

remember than the age of consent in Spain (Britains favourite holiday destination) is 13.

Also remember that 70 years ago, most people saw homosexuality as a terrible sin and could never see it being legalised.

[McMouse]

The age of consent is 13 in Spain.

[eyethenkyew]

Absolutely spot on. If some of the bleeding hearts on here had their way there is little doubt that kiddie fiddlers would be given free rein to carry out their nefarious and wicked ways on vulnerable and defenceless children in our society.

It all stems from the erosion of what's right for the overwhelming majority, and for their adequate protection, by having in place such laws and deterrents as would not only deter, but effectively deal with, those who choose to blatantly and flagrantly flout them.

We wouldn't need strong and forthright legislation if everyone could be trusted not to transgress, but that's a hopeless pipe dream. Thus, the weak and vulnerable in our midst are at unrelenting risk because of the minority pressure groups which have flourished in this country for decades and who are more interested in the rights of their perverted clients than those of the vulnerable victim.

[mccfluff]

maybe that's how people saw homosexuality but i'd bet the individuals involved didn't.

[R1Geezer]

well anything's possible I suppose vic, not so long ago we used to punish criminals....

[sandyRoe]

Is there a pressure group in the UK that promotes paedophilia?

[jackthehat]

You do talk some complete and utter bollards, ETY.

Please provide a link to the bleeding-hearts giving their backing for paedophiles or shut up.

Thanks.

[Booldawg]

it'll never happen, purely because of how paedophiles have to operate to get their kicks. They dont have partners, they have victims; preying on unwilling participants to satisfy their sexual needs. That'll never be acceptable in any society.

[Duncer]

I am neither a bleeding heart nor a member of a liberal pressure group, in fact I have what almost verges on contempt for them, but equating women, blacks and homosexuals to paedophiles is positively ludicrous.

I keenly await the response of a black lesbian putting any such argument to bed.

[pa___ul3]

eyethenkyew- you said it yourself "to carry out their nefarious and wicked ways on vulnerable and defenceless children in our society"... blacks, women or homsexuals never preyed on anyone.

[kinell]

one thing in their favour though....they drive slowly past schools