cavalier king charles breeders

[ilovemarkb]

looking for a reputable breeder of this breed, but must be in the north east. ive tried googling to no avail

[Wagon_Wheel]

If you buy a magazine like Dogs TOday they have a section near the back called Dial A Dog which can put you in touch with reputable breeders, hopeully in your area. You will need to do your own checks, however, to ensure that they are breeding under the conditions which you require and have had all the appropriate checks for hip scoring, etc. Hope this helps.

[ilovemarkb]

thanks for that wagon wheel!!

[lankeela]

Please ensure parents are heart tested, as many Cavaliers suffer from heart problems that can be avoided by having the parents tested and not breeding from them if they carry the gene.

Try this link:

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/

click on Guided Search, Toy Group, Cavaliers, Breeders.
This will give you a list of breeders with the county they live in.

Northern Club:

Northern Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Society (Secretary Mr. I Sidgwick) 01228 561209 - they will have a list of breeders who are club members. He will also be able to tell you of any problems you should be aware of.

[ilovemarkb]

i knew you.d help lankeela!! many thanks!!

[amonty1144]

Try the kennel club website, they have a list of registered dealers with puppies available. It is up dated regularly , so you may need to go back

[lankeela]

I sincerely hope that that was a Freudian slip calling them dealers - I think you meant breeders! The Kennel Club will not allow anyone who breeds more than 4 litters a year to use their advertising (other than accredited breeders, who have to fulfil certain strict criteria). Anyne who breeds over 4 litters a year needs a breeders licence from their local council and are deemed 'commercial breeders'.

Dealers are of course people who buy and sell puppies that they have not necessarily bred. Many puppy farmers use dealers to acquire litters of puppies which they then sell as having been bred by themselves.

[ilovemarkb]

just been to see cavalier pups, they were wiyh there mum, they are kc registered. we were shown certificates etc. we said we.d think about buying one {�450) one of my concerns was that the pup with the lovely nature looked like his eves were a little weepy, could this be a problem?

[kita1]

To be honest I would check and double check any breeders who bred puppies at this time of year.

I don't like puppies available at Christmas, and if a breeder allowed a puppy to be taken home just before Christmas or New Year I would be very wary.

New Year celebrations are extremely disruptive in any household.

Trying to housetrain a pup in winter is a nightmare!!

I am not saying don't get a pup - just be doubly cautious that ALL the certificates are valid and in order and make sure like Lankeela says that the parents are heart tested etc. They should ideally have insurance (usually six weeks) to cover them over the initial period.

I always look for a breeder who wants to follow up after they have sold the pup, and ideally one who says that they are there for the dogs lifetime - any problems come back to them. Expect them to check you out as much as you check them out.

How old were the pups? How long have they been for sale? How many pups are there?

They should not be any younger than 8 weeks old. I would also get a full vet check on the pup as soon as you get him/her home.

Buy with your head not your heart!

[lankeela]

When you say 'the pup with the lovely nature' does this mean the others were shy or nervous? What was the mother like? When was her last litter (the mother's - come to think of it - the breeder's as well).

Please try to see some more litters before you decide - the breeder will not mind if they are genuine. If they pressure you into having one of theirs, ask yourself why. Are they just in it for the money?

Of course they may be genuine, so you will have to let your eyes be your guide and your money the last thing you part with.

[ilovemarkb]

thank you lankeela and kita. valuble advice as usual. there was only two pups left, they were 9 weeks old.one puppy was quiet and the other was quite bouncey. mum was a beautiful tri colour. we were shown mums framed a3 certificate, with champion dogs (highlighted in red). there was no pressure to buy whatsover, i was just alittle concerned about weepy eyes.!

[kita1]

To be honest I would try and see a few more litters.

If the pups are 9 weeks old then the rest were sold just before Christmas.

I would not want to purchase a pup off someone who sold puppies at Christmas - every house is in turmoil over the Christmas period - that is why rescue homes shut the week before and will not let any animal go to a new home for the two week period over Christmas and New Year.

A framed 'certificate' (I presume you mean pedigree) means little or nothing. If you do not require a show dog then it does not matter how many Champions are in the pedigree.

A 'champion' means it has won three Championship Certificates. This means that in the judges opinion it came nearest to the breed standard in the class. A 'class' can have any number of dogs from one to 100!! If a judge likes a certain dog (or owner) and they enter 3 shows under that judge then you can make up a champion very easily.

I could print out on my computer a pedigree for my dog (which would be complete fiction) showing a line of ''champions'. Would you know the difference?

You can check how many litters the breeder has registered with the Kennel Club if you know their 'affix' or kennel name.

Like Lankeela says I would see a few more litters first, get a feel for them.

The weepy eyes would be a warning sign for me, and the fact that one pup was quiet, yet the other was bouncy.

Try and see a litter where you have more of a choice of puppies, maybe where you can see them before they come up for sale, (say around six weeks old).

Remember the pup you buy now will be with you for hopefully 14 years or more! Take your time.

[divegirl]

Hi, with respect kita..... a breeder can not predict the bitches season and therefore there will always be litters born at this time of year. As long as you have researched your breed and breeder....and know what you are letting yourself in for [!!!] I would say it is down to the new owner to decide whether or not to buy a pup at this time of year. Of course it will be easier to house train in the summer, but having a friend who has just waited two years for her Irish Setter....I know she is prepared to be out in all weathers and to make what ever sacrifices needed to be sure that her new pup is happy.

Lisa x

[ilovemarkb]

goodness me, its so scarey buying a pup. i dont know now and probably never will know the differance between a real pedigree certificate or a false one. i.ll take my time and hopefully i will make the right choice. thanks for all of your advice.

[lankeela]

Use the breed clubs - the secretaries will know who to recommend and although may not tell you who NOT to buy from, unless they come recommended then steer clear.

One point I have to correct, to make up a champion your dog needs to have won Challenge Certificates under three different judges, and at least one of them must be won when the dog is over a year old.

And yes, puppies can be born at any time of year, but most breeders would want to keep them until after Christmas, unless they know the buyer really well (or like me you don't 'do' Christmas and are a miserable old ****** who
stays at home alone with the dogs).

[ilovemarkb]

thanks, but we just want a family dog. we have no interest in champions or showing it, we just want a healthy pet to love!

[kita1]

Why not try rescue?

Breed rescue have a web site (they give local contacts): http://www.cavalierrescue.co.uk they also have lots of information about the breed.

Or there are general rescues like http://www.freewebs.com/manytearsrescue/dogslo okingforhomes.htm they often have young adults available (and sometimes puppies).

It would probably be alot cheaper than buying a pedigree puppy, especially if you are not wanting to show or breed.

divegirl: I never said don't buy a pup at this time of year, just be very wary and check (and double check) the breeder out! Most bitches come into season twice a year for all their lives. If a breeder wishes to breed a bitch say four times in her life it is not so difficult to have the puppies born in spring/summer. If a breeder cannot 'predict' a season then they should not be breeding! As lankeela says most breeders would wish to keep the puppies until after the festive season, that is all I was getting at!