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Oh dear has Guy Gibson's dog come back to haunt us?
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http://www.dailymail....or-WWII-memorial.html
The Mail was careful to state:
/// They are convinced that the wraiths of both Wing Commander Guy Gibson and his chocolate–coloured Labrador haunt the remote airfield from which the audacious raid was launched. ///
His 'chocolate-coloured' Labrador????? It was Black.
But later they threw all caution to the wind and went on to report:
/// Gibson's Labrador, ***, was the mascot for the squadron that launched an audacious night-time raid on three heavily defended dams deep in Germany's industrial heartland using bouncing bombs ///
/// The Labrador's name was used as a code word whenever one of Germany's Ruhr Dams was breached during the mission.///
Oh dear should they have stated that fact?
But apparently in the remake of the film the dog is to be re-named 'Digger'
Must admit I didn't know it was Australian though.
The Mail was careful to state:
/// They are convinced that the wraiths of both Wing Commander Guy Gibson and his chocolate–coloured Labrador haunt the remote airfield from which the audacious raid was launched. ///
His 'chocolate-coloured' Labrador????? It was Black.
But later they threw all caution to the wind and went on to report:
/// Gibson's Labrador, ***, was the mascot for the squadron that launched an audacious night-time raid on three heavily defended dams deep in Germany's industrial heartland using bouncing bombs ///
/// The Labrador's name was used as a code word whenever one of Germany's Ruhr Dams was breached during the mission.///
Oh dear should they have stated that fact?
But apparently in the remake of the film the dog is to be re-named 'Digger'
Must admit I didn't know it was Australian though.
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its just an old picture with a dog in it.
who cares what the photographer remembers/doesn't remember 30 years on.
now this is a ghost dog. and he's black.
http://upload.wikimed...pg/220px-Blackdog.jpg
who cares what the photographer remembers/doesn't remember 30 years on.
now this is a ghost dog. and he's black.
http://upload.wikimed...pg/220px-Blackdog.jpg
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The naming of Guy Gibson's dog would not cause particular offence among the majority of people who heard it at that time - but times are different, and it is appropriate to allow for modern sensibilities, and rename the dog in the re-make of the movie.
Ths story was about the spirit of the dog haunting its locale, and nothing at all to do with its name - I can't really see what you are getting at here AOG.
Ths story was about the spirit of the dog haunting its locale, and nothing at all to do with its name - I can't really see what you are getting at here AOG.
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DrFilth
Good point, they may not alter the history of WW2 in such a dramatic way, but haven't you noticed when they do make a war movie these days (which isn't too often) the anti-German material is diluted down considerably, while at the same time attacking the Nazis.
Anyone would think, that the Nazis were not German.
Good point, they may not alter the history of WW2 in such a dramatic way, but haven't you noticed when they do make a war movie these days (which isn't too often) the anti-German material is diluted down considerably, while at the same time attacking the Nazis.
Anyone would think, that the Nazis were not German.
jackthehat
/// But not all the Germans were Nazis...///
I don't suppose they were, but I wouldn't have liked the job of selecting who was and who wasn't.
/// More than 250,000 concentration camp prisoners died in death marches shortly before the end of World War II. Many of them were murdered by German civilians. ///
http://www.spiegel.de...0,1518,739518,00.html
/// But not all the Germans were Nazis...///
I don't suppose they were, but I wouldn't have liked the job of selecting who was and who wasn't.
/// More than 250,000 concentration camp prisoners died in death marches shortly before the end of World War II. Many of them were murdered by German civilians. ///
http://www.spiegel.de...0,1518,739518,00.html
Attitudes change, and there is no point in the next generation finger-pointing and point-scoring off issues that were done and settled before they were born.
We wouldn't appreciate reference to our national wrongdoings, no doubt other people don't appreciate it either - it solves nothing and stops people moving forward, which is really the only direction we can move.
We wouldn't appreciate reference to our national wrongdoings, no doubt other people don't appreciate it either - it solves nothing and stops people moving forward, which is really the only direction we can move.
andy where do you draw the line, change the dogs name in one film in another change the way the shootings happened
for a lot of people they will take what they see as being true.
one film had an armoured car drive onto the football pitch and start firing at the crowd, what really happened is printed below.
what do you think the people who saw the film believe happened
>> The Dublin Gaelic football team was scheduled to play the Tipperary team later the same day in Croke Park, the Gaelic Athletic Association's major football ground. Despite the general unease in Dublin as news broke of the killings, a war-weary populace continued with life. Approximately 5,000 spectators went to Croke Park for the Gaelic football match between Dublin and Tipperary, which began thirty minutes late, at 3:15 p.m.
Meanwhile, outside the Park, unseen by the crowd, British security forces were approaching and preparing to raid the match. A convoy of troops drove in from the northwest, along Clonliffe Road, while a convoy of police and Auxiliaries approached the Park from the south or Canal end. Their orders were to surround the grounds, guard the exits, and search every man in the Park. The authorities later stated that their intention was to announce by megaphone that all males leaving the stadium would be searched and that anyone leaving by other means would be shot. But for some reason, shots were fired as soon as the police convoy reached the stadium, at 3:25 p.m.
Some of the police later claimed that they were fired on first by IRA sentries, but this has never been proven.Correspondents for the Manchester Guardian and Britain's Daily News interviewed eyewitnesses, and concluded that the "IRA sentries" were actually ticket-sellers:
It is the custom at this football ground for tickets to be sold outside the gates by recognised ticket-sellers, who would probably present the appearance of pickets, and would naturally run inside at the approach of a dozen military lorries. No man exposes himself needlessly in Ireland when a military lorry passes by.
The police in the convoy's leading cars appear to have jumped out, pursued these men down the passage to the Canal End gate, forced their way through the turnstiles, and started firing rapidly with rifles and revolvers. Ireland's Freeman's Journal reported that,
The spectators were startled by a volley of shots fired from inside the turnstile entrances. Armed and uniformed men were seen entering the field, and immediately after the firing broke out scenes of the wildest confusion took place. The spectators made a rush for the far side of Croke Park and shots were fired over their heads and into the crowd.
The police kept shooting for about ninety seconds: their commander, Major Mills, later admitted that his men were "excited and out of hand." Some police fired into the fleeing crowd from the pitch, while others, outside the Park, opened fire from the Canal Bridge at spectators who climbed over the Canal End Wall trying to escape. At the other end of the Park, the soldiers on Clonliffe Road were startled first by the sound of the fusillade, then by the sight of panicked people fleeing the grounds. As the spectators streamed out, an armoured car on St James Avenue fired its machine guns over the heads of the crowd, trying to halt them.
By the time Major Mills got his men back under control, the police had fired 114 rounds of rifle ammunition, and an unknown amount of revolver ammunition as well, not counting 50 rounds fired from the machine guns in the armoured car outside the Park. Seven people had been shot to death, and five more had been fatally wounded; another two people had been trampled to death by the crowd. The dead included Jeannie Boyle, who had gone to the match with her fiancé and was due to be married five days later, and two boys aged 10 and 11. Two football players, Michael Hogan and Jim Egan, had been shot; Hogan was killed, but Egan survived <<
for a lot of people they will take what they see as being true.
one film had an armoured car drive onto the football pitch and start firing at the crowd, what really happened is printed below.
what do you think the people who saw the film believe happened
>> The Dublin Gaelic football team was scheduled to play the Tipperary team later the same day in Croke Park, the Gaelic Athletic Association's major football ground. Despite the general unease in Dublin as news broke of the killings, a war-weary populace continued with life. Approximately 5,000 spectators went to Croke Park for the Gaelic football match between Dublin and Tipperary, which began thirty minutes late, at 3:15 p.m.
Meanwhile, outside the Park, unseen by the crowd, British security forces were approaching and preparing to raid the match. A convoy of troops drove in from the northwest, along Clonliffe Road, while a convoy of police and Auxiliaries approached the Park from the south or Canal end. Their orders were to surround the grounds, guard the exits, and search every man in the Park. The authorities later stated that their intention was to announce by megaphone that all males leaving the stadium would be searched and that anyone leaving by other means would be shot. But for some reason, shots were fired as soon as the police convoy reached the stadium, at 3:25 p.m.
Some of the police later claimed that they were fired on first by IRA sentries, but this has never been proven.Correspondents for the Manchester Guardian and Britain's Daily News interviewed eyewitnesses, and concluded that the "IRA sentries" were actually ticket-sellers:
It is the custom at this football ground for tickets to be sold outside the gates by recognised ticket-sellers, who would probably present the appearance of pickets, and would naturally run inside at the approach of a dozen military lorries. No man exposes himself needlessly in Ireland when a military lorry passes by.
The police in the convoy's leading cars appear to have jumped out, pursued these men down the passage to the Canal End gate, forced their way through the turnstiles, and started firing rapidly with rifles and revolvers. Ireland's Freeman's Journal reported that,
The spectators were startled by a volley of shots fired from inside the turnstile entrances. Armed and uniformed men were seen entering the field, and immediately after the firing broke out scenes of the wildest confusion took place. The spectators made a rush for the far side of Croke Park and shots were fired over their heads and into the crowd.
The police kept shooting for about ninety seconds: their commander, Major Mills, later admitted that his men were "excited and out of hand." Some police fired into the fleeing crowd from the pitch, while others, outside the Park, opened fire from the Canal Bridge at spectators who climbed over the Canal End Wall trying to escape. At the other end of the Park, the soldiers on Clonliffe Road were startled first by the sound of the fusillade, then by the sight of panicked people fleeing the grounds. As the spectators streamed out, an armoured car on St James Avenue fired its machine guns over the heads of the crowd, trying to halt them.
By the time Major Mills got his men back under control, the police had fired 114 rounds of rifle ammunition, and an unknown amount of revolver ammunition as well, not counting 50 rounds fired from the machine guns in the armoured car outside the Park. Seven people had been shot to death, and five more had been fatally wounded; another two people had been trampled to death by the crowd. The dead included Jeannie Boyle, who had gone to the match with her fiancé and was due to be married five days later, and two boys aged 10 and 11. Two football players, Michael Hogan and Jim Egan, had been shot; Hogan was killed, but Egan survived <<
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