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Anyone see dispatches this evening? Quite shocking, How can we get the bigotry out of soccer? Why won't the FA/Clubs/Law enforcement deal with this? Any suggestions for how this can be cleaned up?
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Judging from the small part of it that I saw, getting match officials and attending coppers to take it seriously might be a start.
It would be nice to think that insults based around race, or sexual orientation would just become an irrelevance as society matures, but given that black footballers still face persistent racist taunts and insults, that is perhaps too much to hope for.
In all honesty, given the tribal nature of the support for football clubs,and especially the intense rivalry between local clubs, it seems unlikely to me that we are ever going to be able clear it up entirely. And I am not absolutely sure the fans that chant this stuff necessarily even recognise what it is that they are doing - they might just think of it as "banter".
It would be nice to think that insults based around race, or sexual orientation would just become an irrelevance as society matures, but given that black footballers still face persistent racist taunts and insults, that is perhaps too much to hope for.
In all honesty, given the tribal nature of the support for football clubs,and especially the intense rivalry between local clubs, it seems unlikely to me that we are ever going to be able clear it up entirely. And I am not absolutely sure the fans that chant this stuff necessarily even recognise what it is that they are doing - they might just think of it as "banter".
As it has been said before they will never be able to stop it, it has gone on throughout history, where large crowds gather, be it in the arena, the stadium or even during protests, safety in numbers they say.
Interesting to note however, banter and insults against individuals take place on a daily basis on such sites as this, yet most accept this kind of behaviour.
Providing it is not against a minority group, it doesn't seem to matter how much an individual is insulted.
Interesting to note however, banter and insults against individuals take place on a daily basis on such sites as this, yet most accept this kind of behaviour.
Providing it is not against a minority group, it doesn't seem to matter how much an individual is insulted.
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"Interesting to note however, banter and insults against individuals take place on a daily basis on such sites as this, yet most accept this kind of behaviour."
From the AB Site Rules:
"Do not post material that discriminates on grounds of race, gender, age or religion, nor link to websites that do so."
I have watched a bit of the Dispatches programme on catch up tv, and I cannot see anything on the programme that has been replicated here. If anyone tried to, their post would be removed, and if they were a repeat offender, their account would be shut down.
"Interesting to note however, banter and insults against individuals take place on a daily basis on such sites as this, yet most accept this kind of behaviour."
From the AB Site Rules:
"Do not post material that discriminates on grounds of race, gender, age or religion, nor link to websites that do so."
I have watched a bit of the Dispatches programme on catch up tv, and I cannot see anything on the programme that has been replicated here. If anyone tried to, their post would be removed, and if they were a repeat offender, their account would be shut down.
@AoG "nteresting to note however, banter and insults against individuals take place on a daily basis on such sites as this, yet most accept this kind of behaviour.
Providing it is not against a minority group, it doesn't seem to matter how much an individual is insulted."
That is a facile analysis, trying to equate what you term "insults" here on AB with some of the frankly vile and despicable chants directed at minorities, be they ethnic, racial or sexual.
There is absolutely no equivalence whatsoever.
Providing it is not against a minority group, it doesn't seem to matter how much an individual is insulted."
That is a facile analysis, trying to equate what you term "insults" here on AB with some of the frankly vile and despicable chants directed at minorities, be they ethnic, racial or sexual.
There is absolutely no equivalence whatsoever.
There is a massive difference between the insults (banter?) that are traded back and forth here on AB and those vile and hateful insults being offered up in the Dispatches documentary.
To try and suggest some kind of equivalence between the 2 is simply facile.
For every instance you see here of "knuckledragger" there are an equal number of trenchant descriptions of those taking the opposite view; "yoghurt knitting, right-on yooman rights PC brigade" or some variation thereof.
Fortunately, the number of those regularly offering up trivial insult on here is quite low, and anyway tends to undermine their own arguments - assuming they actually have an argument of course, rather than just wanting to hear the sound of their own voice.
To try and suggest some kind of equivalence between the 2 is simply facile.
For every instance you see here of "knuckledragger" there are an equal number of trenchant descriptions of those taking the opposite view; "yoghurt knitting, right-on yooman rights PC brigade" or some variation thereof.
Fortunately, the number of those regularly offering up trivial insult on here is quite low, and anyway tends to undermine their own arguments - assuming they actually have an argument of course, rather than just wanting to hear the sound of their own voice.
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