Diabetic Result

[jennyjoan]

This is the second time I have received a diabetic result in 4 weeks and both are showing up extremely borderline - so no treatment (not even a tablet is recommended) they are treating me in 3-4 months time but the lovely nurse asked me do I eat a lot of sweets. I have to say I don't - I definitely do not gorge during the day or at night. She asked did I do exercise so of course I told her exercised the dog but this past 4 days I haven't as I burnt my toes last Friday and the pain so sore I can't really get a shoe on.

I am going to up this bloody exercise and get off the beer at weekends. I know you are going to say but am asking is there sugar in beer. I drink 9% beer. Waiting on your lovely answers.

Now with not drinking, eating I may as well as croak it. LOL

[wolf63]

I am a diabetic and am fat. I was eating loads of fruit in an attempt to lose weight - but was reprimanded by the nurse for eating so much as it is full of sugar. If you eat a lot of fruit that will make your figures high.

[bednobs]

it's all about the carbs (which beer is high in)

[jennyjoan]

wolf I do know of people who when they got their weight down - the diabetes nearly went away.

Not being nosey but are you trying to lose weight and also do you do the naughties eat sweets etc.

I have to take the diabetes business serious as most of my family some of them take injection insulin and others just the tablet.

[jennyjoan]

bednobs I truly didn't know about the carbs being sugar

[Mosaic]

I think what bednobs is saying is slightly the other way round jennyJ......being diabetic means you need to avoid carbs, and sugar is a carb.
So it's also looking carefully at bread, pasta, cereal, spuds and all of that.
There's loads of information from Diabetes UK and there is possibly a support branch near you.
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/

[wolf63]

JJ

I am not a sweetie eater. I work for Oxfam on a Monday afternoon and have a bag of crisps and a bar of chocolate - Wispa Gold is lovely.

My problem is that I am mostly inactive and my back pain is preventing me from walking. I have other health problems which also don't help.

I have had problems with diabetes and insulin problems for about 40 years (I'm 52 now). I have poly-cystic ovaries which causes it. The weight that I carry doesn't help but it is not the main cause of the diabetes.

[Sqad]

\\\.being diabetic means you need to avoid carbs, and sugar is a carb. \\\\

But JJ isn't diabetic and no, being a diabetic doesn't mean that you should avoid carbs.

JJ, carry on the way that you are doing, but just eat less......if you can ;-)
Keep up with walking the dog.

[Mosaic]

Paragraph 2 of this page Sqad
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/nhs-diet-advice.html

I'm also speaking from personal experience of what works in JJ's situation.
From having regular hypos and being overweight, have lost weight and no more hypos, by controlling carbs strictly and eating plenty of non-starchy veg alongside lean protein.

[Sqad]

Moaiac....your advice was to avoid carbs.......13.01

\\\\Eat plenty of starchy carbohydrates with a low glycemic index (low GI)
Increase the amount of fibre in your diet
Eat plenty of fruit and vegetables - at least 5 portions per day\\

The above is from your link, which says nothing about avoiding carbs.

[jomifl]

soluble carbohydrates(carbs) such as sugars will cause a rapid peak in your blood glucose as they are comprised of glucose and sugars which are easily converted to glucose. Some carbs such as starches are much slower to be converted to glucose whilst others such a cellulose cannot be converted to glucose at all. Alcohol whilst having a calorific content is more complicated:-

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/alcohol-and-blood-sugar.html

[Clanad]

With appropriate deference to Sqad (and others) I can't say enough in support of a low sugar diet. I hate the word diet since it implies enterning a regime that one cannot maintain for any duration. However, Mrs. C. (here in the U.S.) was bordering on diabetes but was fortunate enough to consult a medical doctor that had developed (along with other nutritionists and doctors) a highly effective change in lifestyle (as opposed to a diet). I wnt along for the ride since she had acquired all the literature.

That was in March of this year... since then Mrs. C has dropped 34 pounds and I have lost (it's around here somewhere, just lurking, I'm sure), near 40 pounds.

This article says it all:

https://doctordoni.com/2014/09/the-sugar-challenge.html

Probably one of the most difficult things health wise I've ever done, but also one of the most satisfying since my whole life has changed as a result. I really can't explain how one feels so good since it is a day by day, month by month process. Suffice it to say, I'll never go back to the previous lifelong love affair with sugar.

I've said it before, but to reiterate... look at the nutrition label, check the carbohydrates (in grams), subtract the grams of fiber and divide the remainder by the constant of 5. This will produce the actual number of grams of sugar rather than the amount shown on the nutrition label, which often overlooks the sugar alcohols which are just as insidious as sugars.

A grown man needs to limit sugar intake to less that 15 grams per day and most women less than 12 grams per day... and importantly no sugars from the time you get up for at least 4 hours. Yeah, I know, but it is worth it...

[Sqad]

Clanad......Dr Doni......isn't medically qualified in that she hasn't a medical degree. However that doesn't detract from her having an opinion albeit an homeopathic one.

Over the years we have had ...sugar is bad for you, salt is bad for you, carbohydrates are the killers, fat is a "no no" an all protein low carb diet is good for you.

I am confused, the medical profession is confused, like you I hate the word diet (in certain cases) and one can search the internet and find a link that will support your case however bizarre.

When reads some of these scientific articles on has great difficulty in getting past the 3rd paragraph without losing complete interest in the topic.

I try an answer each OP as an individual case rather than a "topic" as in most of medicine individual requirements are just that and they respond to management in an individual direction.

You report another interesting approach to ....diet and health.

[Clanad]

I understand what you're saying Sqad... but Dr. Doni's website happened to be the first I came to and I really didn't investigate her credentials... however, having said that, most other similar sites (such as this: http://drhyman.com/blog/2014/03/06/top-10-big-ideas-detox-sugar/ ) have the same advice along with the usual book for sale, of course.

My point is, the choice to live essentially sugar free can be one of choice, such as Mrs. C and I made, or it can be rudely thrust upon you when your Dr. says those dreaded words..." Afraid I have some bad news", which is usually associated with Adult Onset Diabetes, in this context. Mrs. C's blood sugars and associated disorders when she was approaching the diabetic threshhold have all returned to normal all without medication (she did take prescribed Metformin initially, but has been able to eliminate that as well.)

I guess my point is summed up in the fact that a hundred years ago or less we didn't have the sugar content in our everyday diet as we do today. It was a treat in Grandmothers Apple pie but today, most people (including yours truly) simply were or are unaware of the super-significant (my description) amount of sugar contained in everyday foods!

So the results are the same... but my investigation has indicated an amazing change in quality of life by eliminating as much sugar (and becoming informed of those hidden sugars) as possible. My objective nature has lead me to believe, after consulting not only a bonafide Doctor but others that have made such a change, that the "feeling great" aspect of this move is pretty universal if one will simply commit to it.

[Sqad]

//// after consulting not only a bonafide Doctor but others that have made such a change, that the "feeling great" aspect of this move is pretty universal if one will simply commit to it./////

and that is the bottom line Clanad.

[islasmum]

Type2 diabetes can be genetically passed down and if there is a pre-disposition to Type 2 (you mention other family members also have diabetes) it can be more likely that you may get it, especially if you are overweight and have a sedentary lifestyle.

[jennyjoan]

thanks islasmum - you are perfectly correct in saying Type2 is genetic. But please God if I get my act together I will lose weight during 4 months - I believe even if I lose a stone it will help.

[Islay]

Do you drink a lot of 9% beer? You could try swapping it for a lower carb beer.