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Where Does Cameron Get It From That Leaving The Eu Will Not Curb Immigration, And Also That Leaving The Eu Will Make Europe Less Defensive?
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Hasn't he heard of stricter UK border controls and isn't the defence of Europe down to NATO?
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According to Cameron:
/// 'We're members of Nato, we're members of the UN, we're members of the IMF, I care about Britain being able to fix stuff – whether it's stopping pirates off the African coast, whether it's closing down illegal migration routes, closing down smugglers, whether it's standing up to Vladimir Putin with sanctions, whether it's the sanctions we put in place to get Iran to abandon its nuclear plan – having that seat in the EU, just as being a member of Nato is a vital way that we project our values, our power and our influence in the world.' ///
And the thought of him kow towing to the smaller East European states, (who we subsidise enormously) in trying to encourage them to accept smaller UK state benefit handouts, as got to be stomach wrenching.
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According to Cameron:
/// 'We're members of Nato, we're members of the UN, we're members of the IMF, I care about Britain being able to fix stuff – whether it's stopping pirates off the African coast, whether it's closing down illegal migration routes, closing down smugglers, whether it's standing up to Vladimir Putin with sanctions, whether it's the sanctions we put in place to get Iran to abandon its nuclear plan – having that seat in the EU, just as being a member of Nato is a vital way that we project our values, our power and our influence in the world.' ///
And the thought of him kow towing to the smaller East European states, (who we subsidise enormously) in trying to encourage them to accept smaller UK state benefit handouts, as got to be stomach wrenching.
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NATO offers military security - allegedly, although event events have shown just how poorly prepared it was, hence the hasty reappraisal of and deployment of extra defences to the east - while the EU can and does present a powerful economic presence that can protect us: for exanple it's been instrumental in providing a block on Gazprom's manipulation of the European energy market
It's not a myth that we are stronger together it's reality. Yes there is a trade off in sovereignty but the alternative is far worse
It's not a myth that we are stronger together it's reality. Yes there is a trade off in sovereignty but the alternative is far worse
I don’t know.
At present there are around 3m citizens of other EU nations living in the UK. Last year over a quarter of a million arrived to settle here. The UK had absolutely no control over those numbers. Furthermore the seven candidate/potential candidate EU nations have a combined population of almost 100m. Six of the seven have GDP per capita figures of around 10% of the UK’s. One (Turkey) has a figure of about 20%. Will all those people remain in their countries of origin when they are allowed free movement? Or will they had west where they can earn ten times their current wages (and have them topped up – sometimes by around 100% - by the taxpayer)? Our withdrawal from the EU will see us able to decide who does come here (people with skills and jobs) and who does not (Romanian gypsies looking to kip under Marble Arch and beg from the tourists).
The “security” provided by the EU is conspicuous by its absence. The EU has seen a mass invasion my a million or more migrants during the past few months. The Euromaniacs have sat on their hands, discussing how to distribute the invaders instead of devising ways to keep them out. Meanwhile the flow continued unabated. A week or two ago NATO responded within 24 hours of a request by some European nations and deployed warships to patrol the Aegean sea, intercepting migrant boats and returning them to Turkey. It is NATO which provides European security, not the EU.
At present there are around 3m citizens of other EU nations living in the UK. Last year over a quarter of a million arrived to settle here. The UK had absolutely no control over those numbers. Furthermore the seven candidate/potential candidate EU nations have a combined population of almost 100m. Six of the seven have GDP per capita figures of around 10% of the UK’s. One (Turkey) has a figure of about 20%. Will all those people remain in their countries of origin when they are allowed free movement? Or will they had west where they can earn ten times their current wages (and have them topped up – sometimes by around 100% - by the taxpayer)? Our withdrawal from the EU will see us able to decide who does come here (people with skills and jobs) and who does not (Romanian gypsies looking to kip under Marble Arch and beg from the tourists).
The “security” provided by the EU is conspicuous by its absence. The EU has seen a mass invasion my a million or more migrants during the past few months. The Euromaniacs have sat on their hands, discussing how to distribute the invaders instead of devising ways to keep them out. Meanwhile the flow continued unabated. A week or two ago NATO responded within 24 hours of a request by some European nations and deployed warships to patrol the Aegean sea, intercepting migrant boats and returning them to Turkey. It is NATO which provides European security, not the EU.
The reasons I will be voting 'Out' are these, and not necessarily in the right order.
I. I don't trust David Cameron.
2. I think the 'deal' he has negotiated is not worth the paper it's written on.
3. The £55 million pounds per day, or what ever it is, we pay to the EU will enable us to properly secure our borders and admit only those with the skills we need plus the number of genuine refugees we can economically accommodate.
I. I don't trust David Cameron.
2. I think the 'deal' he has negotiated is not worth the paper it's written on.
3. The £55 million pounds per day, or what ever it is, we pay to the EU will enable us to properly secure our borders and admit only those with the skills we need plus the number of genuine refugees we can economically accommodate.
It’s all part of the scaremongering we will now get from both sides.
The stay campaigners will say that we can control our borders better, are safer against terrorist attacks and will lose jobs if we leave.
The leave campaigners will tell us the opposite.
Which all goes to show that it’s up to us as individuals to decide who to believe.
I honestly believe that leaving will help stop these people arriving from these backwards *** pit countries, and even if France does move the border control from Calais, then with all the money we won’t have to throw at Europe, there should be plenty of funds for us to be able to patrol our own borders and do whatever is necessary to keep these people out.
Mr. Cameron’s “deal” is a joke. It still leaves the EU with way too much power over us and still able to make decisions about us, and the “concessions” which he got are, for the most part, only temporary. He hasn’t yet explained what will happen when the 7 years are up.
The stay campaigners will say that we can control our borders better, are safer against terrorist attacks and will lose jobs if we leave.
The leave campaigners will tell us the opposite.
Which all goes to show that it’s up to us as individuals to decide who to believe.
I honestly believe that leaving will help stop these people arriving from these backwards *** pit countries, and even if France does move the border control from Calais, then with all the money we won’t have to throw at Europe, there should be plenty of funds for us to be able to patrol our own borders and do whatever is necessary to keep these people out.
Mr. Cameron’s “deal” is a joke. It still leaves the EU with way too much power over us and still able to make decisions about us, and the “concessions” which he got are, for the most part, only temporary. He hasn’t yet explained what will happen when the 7 years are up.
"The majority of migrants are here because industry has invited them to fill jobs. Those jobs will still need doing whether we are in or out of the EU. If we stop them recruiting, we will be harming British industry."
Aside from the fact that people from the EU don't have to wait to be invited - they just pitch up regardless of whether they have skills, a job to go to or somewhere to live- what you say is quite true. But what on earth makes you think that those we want will no longer be invited. Leaving the EU will mean that we just accept ONLY those invited and not those we would not dream of inviting in a million years.
Aside from the fact that people from the EU don't have to wait to be invited - they just pitch up regardless of whether they have skills, a job to go to or somewhere to live- what you say is quite true. But what on earth makes you think that those we want will no longer be invited. Leaving the EU will mean that we just accept ONLY those invited and not those we would not dream of inviting in a million years.
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