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Its both Mr Thugulike and the handsome George. I think?!
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I have an exceptionally good life, thanks for asking.
My animals all happen to be rescue for the simple reason that there are thousands upon thousands of animals in rescue centres, dogs homes etc the length and breadth of the UK, looking for homes thanks to irresponsible people who breed willy nilly for no other reason than financial profit.
The animals do not ask to be born but many still have to be put down simply because supply outstrips demand, due largely to the avarice of those who choose to breed them. And don't tell me that all those breeders have buyers queuing up to buy their dogs, for example. These people simply signal the death knell for those unhomed animals because of their sheer greed. For if they were simply in it for the love of the animal they would charge nothing instead of four figure sums in the main.
How many litters would a healthy bitch used for breeding produce on average during its fertile years? 10, 12, 20, 50?
It's no diffferent to battery hens, they're seen purely as a conveyor belt to produce multitudes of pups for monetary reward for the breeders.
People with no consciences. Would they subject their own daughters to such treatment? Of course not, but there again, they aren't mere dogs, are they? A product, not a pet. And the more profitable the better, eh?
My animals all happen to be rescue for the simple reason that there are thousands upon thousands of animals in rescue centres, dogs homes etc the length and breadth of the UK, looking for homes thanks to irresponsible people who breed willy nilly for no other reason than financial profit.
The animals do not ask to be born but many still have to be put down simply because supply outstrips demand, due largely to the avarice of those who choose to breed them. And don't tell me that all those breeders have buyers queuing up to buy their dogs, for example. These people simply signal the death knell for those unhomed animals because of their sheer greed. For if they were simply in it for the love of the animal they would charge nothing instead of four figure sums in the main.
How many litters would a healthy bitch used for breeding produce on average during its fertile years? 10, 12, 20, 50?
It's no diffferent to battery hens, they're seen purely as a conveyor belt to produce multitudes of pups for monetary reward for the breeders.
People with no consciences. Would they subject their own daughters to such treatment? Of course not, but there again, they aren't mere dogs, are they? A product, not a pet. And the more profitable the better, eh?
Well Paraffin, I didnt ask how your life was, I suggested you 'get one', as you obviously know absolutely nought about dog breeders. A bitch producing up to 50 puppies in its 'fertile years' as you call it, is laughable!
Although you have taken time to post a long winded response, you still havnt answered my original question, as I guess you dont know any breeders.
Out of interest, what breeds are your 'rescue dogs'?
You cant tarnish all breeders with the same brush as many dogs that end up in Rescue are from BYB's, as 'responsible breeders' will take back any dogs if the owners circumstances should change.
As you have obviously never visited a 'responsible' breeder, you cant comment on how 'their animals are treated' either.
Although you have taken time to post a long winded response, you still havnt answered my original question, as I guess you dont know any breeders.
Out of interest, what breeds are your 'rescue dogs'?
You cant tarnish all breeders with the same brush as many dogs that end up in Rescue are from BYB's, as 'responsible breeders' will take back any dogs if the owners circumstances should change.
As you have obviously never visited a 'responsible' breeder, you cant comment on how 'their animals are treated' either.
Hi again jules:
I'm trying to get that life, believe me! I thought I did but you clearly know better about my situation.
Now, your query: Firstly, your post of 16:58 said, quote, "a question which you failed to answer" Forgive me, but where previously in the post had you asked me a question? You hadn't, had you? But now that you've gone on to pose questions, let me give you an honest answer: enough.
However, pot calling kettle? You subtly didn't bother giving me an answer as to the average amount of puppies born to one healthy breeding bitch? Something to hide?
My dogs are border collies. One is collie x via RSPCA rescue, the other, the runt of its litter, from a smallholding where they were unable to find anyone to have him.
My cats: One from Cats Protection League, the other from a reputable rescue shelter. We'd have more if we had more room. Might be able to squeeze one at a push but the cats in particular would have something to "sa" about that!
I have to ask you: what is "BYB"? Abbreviations are fine as long as we're all singing from the hymn sheet, don't you think?
i.e. we all know RSPCA, as above, don't we?
Tell you what, jules: I haven't a clue which kind of dogs you breed, but if either you or any of your dog breeder cronies agree, I'll buy a healthy 12 weeks old pup of one of your breeding bitches for �150. Just give me the details and I'll be in touch.
I'm trying to get that life, believe me! I thought I did but you clearly know better about my situation.
Now, your query: Firstly, your post of 16:58 said, quote, "a question which you failed to answer" Forgive me, but where previously in the post had you asked me a question? You hadn't, had you? But now that you've gone on to pose questions, let me give you an honest answer: enough.
However, pot calling kettle? You subtly didn't bother giving me an answer as to the average amount of puppies born to one healthy breeding bitch? Something to hide?
My dogs are border collies. One is collie x via RSPCA rescue, the other, the runt of its litter, from a smallholding where they were unable to find anyone to have him.
My cats: One from Cats Protection League, the other from a reputable rescue shelter. We'd have more if we had more room. Might be able to squeeze one at a push but the cats in particular would have something to "sa" about that!
I have to ask you: what is "BYB"? Abbreviations are fine as long as we're all singing from the hymn sheet, don't you think?
i.e. we all know RSPCA, as above, don't we?
Tell you what, jules: I haven't a clue which kind of dogs you breed, but if either you or any of your dog breeder cronies agree, I'll buy a healthy 12 weeks old pup of one of your breeding bitches for �150. Just give me the details and I'll be in touch.
My previous question Paraffin.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Animals-and-Nat ure/Question770793.html
Ah, so your collie cross and your runt of the litter that came from a smallholding are from responsible breeders then, I think not. By the way, a Collie Cross is not a 'Border collie', however it comes wrapped up. In fact your Rescue dogs came from the very people 'back yard breeders' that are responsible from the majority of dogs in rescue, and not 'responsible breeders'.
Average litter, well I thought you were the one that knew all about breeding, but being as you ask, it depends very much on the breed, and can be just one or two puppies, and as you have absolutely no idea of the costs incurred in raising a litter, dont give me the 'Money in my Eyes' speech.
So before you start spouting off in future, I suggest you do some research.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Animals-and-Nat ure/Question770793.html
Ah, so your collie cross and your runt of the litter that came from a smallholding are from responsible breeders then, I think not. By the way, a Collie Cross is not a 'Border collie', however it comes wrapped up. In fact your Rescue dogs came from the very people 'back yard breeders' that are responsible from the majority of dogs in rescue, and not 'responsible breeders'.
Average litter, well I thought you were the one that knew all about breeding, but being as you ask, it depends very much on the breed, and can be just one or two puppies, and as you have absolutely no idea of the costs incurred in raising a litter, dont give me the 'Money in my Eyes' speech.
So before you start spouting off in future, I suggest you do some research.
Hi again jules:
Now that you've added a link I know what you're talking about. However, I was unaware of your comment which you had added the day after mine, and I hadn't been back to that subject, therefore how could I have known about your important question?
jules, I have no idea who bred my dogs, therefore your "back yard breeders" jibe is below the belt to say the least. That's the problem with you and your ilk, there's so much snobbery and elitism. A mutt is a mutt etc and your mutts are no more precious than mine.
It's laughable that you expect me to believe an average litter to be "just one or two puppies", more like five or six. You clearly don't want to admit how many a breeding bitch could have over the years. It could easily number 40.
Anyway, you've ignored my enquiry and offer for a puppy: yes or no? It would have a loving home, what more could one ask?
�150 not enough? How much then? Give me the relevant details and I'll be in touch. Can't wait.
Now that you've added a link I know what you're talking about. However, I was unaware of your comment which you had added the day after mine, and I hadn't been back to that subject, therefore how could I have known about your important question?
jules, I have no idea who bred my dogs, therefore your "back yard breeders" jibe is below the belt to say the least. That's the problem with you and your ilk, there's so much snobbery and elitism. A mutt is a mutt etc and your mutts are no more precious than mine.
It's laughable that you expect me to believe an average litter to be "just one or two puppies", more like five or six. You clearly don't want to admit how many a breeding bitch could have over the years. It could easily number 40.
Anyway, you've ignored my enquiry and offer for a puppy: yes or no? It would have a loving home, what more could one ask?
�150 not enough? How much then? Give me the relevant details and I'll be in touch. Can't wait.
Read my answer Paraffin, I didnt say the 'average' litter was one or two puppies, I didnt quote an average as I said it was dependant on breed. Two of my girls were from a litter of just two, my friend has recently had just one singleton. You really are off this planet if you think the average breeding bitch produces 40 puppies.
My point about who bred your dogs was not a snobbish remark, as the only thing we will agree with are that your dogs are no more precious than mine, irrelevant of pedigree. I have had cross breeds and rescues myself in the past. But any cross breed has not been bred with intent for monetary gain, apart from the so called 'designer dogs' of which a collie cross/border collie is not one of them.
The BYB remark was not 'below the belt' as that is the correct term for anyone who breeds without necessary health tests and concern for the breed.
Finally, I dont have any puppies to sell to you, or anyone else, and I am not likely to have in the foreseeable future either. End of.....
My point about who bred your dogs was not a snobbish remark, as the only thing we will agree with are that your dogs are no more precious than mine, irrelevant of pedigree. I have had cross breeds and rescues myself in the past. But any cross breed has not been bred with intent for monetary gain, apart from the so called 'designer dogs' of which a collie cross/border collie is not one of them.
The BYB remark was not 'below the belt' as that is the correct term for anyone who breeds without necessary health tests and concern for the breed.
Finally, I dont have any puppies to sell to you, or anyone else, and I am not likely to have in the foreseeable future either. End of.....
Hi again jules:
Thanks for that. Okay, so you have none for sale now or "in the forseeable future". But you must know how much I'd be looking at, wouldn't you? I'm not fussy about specific breeds.
For example, which kind do you breed and how much have you been selling them for? Not a difficult question, is it? It's not a state secret is it?
I'm just interested. It may give me a better idea of what the going rates are, that's all. Look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks for that. Okay, so you have none for sale now or "in the forseeable future". But you must know how much I'd be looking at, wouldn't you? I'm not fussy about specific breeds.
For example, which kind do you breed and how much have you been selling them for? Not a difficult question, is it? It's not a state secret is it?
I'm just interested. It may give me a better idea of what the going rates are, that's all. Look forward to hearing from you.
Hi jules:
I sense suspicion of me by you, no doubt because I chose to criticise breeders. Sorry, but just in case you think I'm some kind of spooky "nutter", I'm not. I just happen to feel strongly about the amount of unwanted pets in the country and try in my own humble way to give homes to some. Unfortunately I cannot have more than we've got at the moment. Now, if I was irresponsible I'd certainly ignore that fact and have wall to wall dogs and cats. No, I do believe in giving them the best I can and I too have owned pedigree dogs, cocker spaniel, greyhound, GSD, so I'm not "biased" against pedigrees.
You and others choose your livelihood, I happen to have strong views about it but I also recognise its legitimacy, no matter how much I may dislike it.
I was simply after some information, nothing sinister about that, is there? After all, this is Answerbank and I would never dream of trying to obtain personal details, I respect everyone's discretion.
I'm disappointed that you have chosen to disregard my request but c'est la vie. I shall trouble you no more.
I sense suspicion of me by you, no doubt because I chose to criticise breeders. Sorry, but just in case you think I'm some kind of spooky "nutter", I'm not. I just happen to feel strongly about the amount of unwanted pets in the country and try in my own humble way to give homes to some. Unfortunately I cannot have more than we've got at the moment. Now, if I was irresponsible I'd certainly ignore that fact and have wall to wall dogs and cats. No, I do believe in giving them the best I can and I too have owned pedigree dogs, cocker spaniel, greyhound, GSD, so I'm not "biased" against pedigrees.
You and others choose your livelihood, I happen to have strong views about it but I also recognise its legitimacy, no matter how much I may dislike it.
I was simply after some information, nothing sinister about that, is there? After all, this is Answerbank and I would never dream of trying to obtain personal details, I respect everyone's discretion.
I'm disappointed that you have chosen to disregard my request but c'est la vie. I shall trouble you no more.
Very few responsible breeders do this for their 'livelihood'. For the majority, well it costs them money to breed dogs.
The only people who consider breeding dogs as a livelihood are puppy farmers, who have tens (sometimes hundreds) of bitches in cages in barns and breed from them every season. They usually sell their puppies for hundreds of pounds and people never see the parents.
Most good breeders will only take three litters off each bitch - no matter how many pups in each litter. Often they will wait until the bitch has achieved Championship status (has won at three Championship shows under three different judges). Then they will retire the bitch (more often than not keeping her as a pet in their own home).
I very much doubt if any of the breeders that come on here make any money out of breeding dogs. They spend far more than they will ever 'earn', just travelling to dog shows to campaign a dog costs a fortune in petrol alone. And what do they get for travelling the length of the country to show their dog? If the dog is lucky enough to win at a Championship show they get - wait for it - a rosette!!!! Imagine travelling from London to Aberdeen (and back again), for a rosette.
The only people who consider breeding dogs as a livelihood are puppy farmers, who have tens (sometimes hundreds) of bitches in cages in barns and breed from them every season. They usually sell their puppies for hundreds of pounds and people never see the parents.
Most good breeders will only take three litters off each bitch - no matter how many pups in each litter. Often they will wait until the bitch has achieved Championship status (has won at three Championship shows under three different judges). Then they will retire the bitch (more often than not keeping her as a pet in their own home).
I very much doubt if any of the breeders that come on here make any money out of breeding dogs. They spend far more than they will ever 'earn', just travelling to dog shows to campaign a dog costs a fortune in petrol alone. And what do they get for travelling the length of the country to show their dog? If the dog is lucky enough to win at a Championship show they get - wait for it - a rosette!!!! Imagine travelling from London to Aberdeen (and back again), for a rosette.
Well said Kita.
I have ignored your request for the price of a puppy as l do believe you are some kind of nutter Paraffin. You have hijacked my thread with a load of codswallop on a subject you know nothing about. If you read my posts carefully, you will see that I havnt said I am a breeder, and it certainly isnt a 'livelihood' as you call it. But, if I did have a puppy to sell, it wouldnt go to anyone with a similar know it all attitude as yourself.
I have ignored your request for the price of a puppy as l do believe you are some kind of nutter Paraffin. You have hijacked my thread with a load of codswallop on a subject you know nothing about. If you read my posts carefully, you will see that I havnt said I am a breeder, and it certainly isnt a 'livelihood' as you call it. But, if I did have a puppy to sell, it wouldnt go to anyone with a similar know it all attitude as yourself.
Hi jules:
I'm genuinely dismayed that you've dismissed me as a "nutter". I thought I'd explained myself in my previous post?
Anyway, by way of trying to persuade you that I'm far from being the "nutter" you believe me to be, may I please refer you to a recent post I contributed to in News.
I apologise that I haven't appended the link but it is the following:
17/06/09 09:21 Gromit "Nottingham Police Brutality"
I contribute mainly in the News section and I think I'd have long since been "found out" had I been some kind of unbalanced individual. I hope you will find a few minutes to read the contribution(s) I've indicated.
I'm genuinely dismayed that you've dismissed me as a "nutter". I thought I'd explained myself in my previous post?
Anyway, by way of trying to persuade you that I'm far from being the "nutter" you believe me to be, may I please refer you to a recent post I contributed to in News.
I apologise that I haven't appended the link but it is the following:
17/06/09 09:21 Gromit "Nottingham Police Brutality"
I contribute mainly in the News section and I think I'd have long since been "found out" had I been some kind of unbalanced individual. I hope you will find a few minutes to read the contribution(s) I've indicated.
jules, whilst ignoring the unsubstantiated twaddle from paraffin, I need to reply to tell you that Handsome George is indeed a Mastiff, and not a Bull Mastiff which is where his picture has appeared.
As for mine, I tried to send one, and then got someone else to send one, but it doesn't appear to have been received.
As for mine, I tried to send one, and then got someone else to send one, but it doesn't appear to have been received.
paraffin does have a point - there ARE breeders out there who only think about the money. Their puppies are inferior due to the breeders lack of knowledge regarding genes and illnesses prevalent in specific breeds. She/he obviously believes passionately about this subject as the answers that were given by paraffin are strongly worded.
I have had two dogs in my time and neither of them were pedigree.
My feelings on the subject is in the middle - the majority of breeders are not only in it for the money but some are using their bitches as breeding machines.
I have had two dogs in my time and neither of them were pedigree.
My feelings on the subject is in the middle - the majority of breeders are not only in it for the money but some are using their bitches as breeding machines.
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