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Ahmed | 15:26 Wed 01st Dec 2004 | Animals & Nature
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Are there any people that use the answerbank who think that the ban on fox-hunting with dogs is ridiculas?

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I see a major problem here.
What is going to happen to the thousands of bloody-thirty dogs that have been brought up with a killer-instict? I can't imagine they'd be ideal as pets. Although it might have a good effect on the neighbourhood cat population.
I suggest we release the 'killer dogs' into the wild, train up the foxes to be slaughter machines and continue with the hunting.......but it would be 'Hunting dogs with foxes'.
As long as the dogs are too furry and cute, I'd say it's a win-win situation.
TTFresh, your answers seem to imply that noone else on this thread apart from yourself has any intelligence or the ability to think for ourselves.  I can assure you that this is not the case and suggest that you think long and hard again before you call people 'uneducated'.   There are better ways to cull, if it is necessary, than for a bunch of people to go out in fancy dress with a pack of dogs to tear an animal to pieces.  I have always thought hunting despicable and it's got nothing to do with being influenced by the labour government!
I don't give a fig one way ot the other - life's tough ain't it - and TTFresh is absolutely spot on. It is nothing to do with foxes, and the gullible amongst us have jumped on the rather incosequntial bandwagon, getting all excited about a total "non-issue". What on earth do you think would happen to the foxes if they weren't killed by the dogs? Do you really think they would live happily ever after, and die peacefully in their sleep at a ripe old age? Get real - they die slowly and in agony, like all wild animals, as a result of starvation caused by inability to find food through injury or old age. Their death by hounds is relatively quick & painless compared to the best they could hope for otherwise. It's time the romancers amongst us were forced to understand the realities of nature. And I am not pro hunting - just anti-anti-hunting!

How can you call hunting 'the realities of nature' BenTtoy.  What's natural about people in silly clothes going out on a jolly and killing for sport and pleasure.  I have no problem with animals dying naturally, I witness it often in the countryside.  I also have no problem with killing for food or killing to destroy pests.  I am totally realistic about wild animals.  It is the so called 'sporting' aspect which I find barbaric.

Sorry BenDToy.  I got your name wrong!
Hunting with dogs is anachronistic and cruel, and those that do it will cling onto anything, any kind of reasoning at all, to try to rationalise it.  The truth is, these people kill for fun, and that�s it.  In any other situation they would be vilified and probably prosecuted, and perhaps labelled (by the legal system) as psychotic.  Their penchant for dressing up in guady, tight-fitting fancy dress and playing tuneless toot-toot-toots on their little horns doesn�t excuse them � they�re still sad little people trying to get away with savaging small animals for �fun�. 
It�s not about class.  It�s not about townies v. country folk.  It�s not about anything � except chasing foxes til they�re gasping their last and then watching them being torn apart.  The blood lust of these people saddens me.  God help us all while so many still think it�s fair to engage is such a one-sided 'hunt'.  Now if there was some way we could even it up, I think maybe we�d have a spectator sport worth watching� suggestions, anyone?
It was once put to me that hunting is a very efficient way to kill as it replicates the laws of nature.  The fox isn't always caught, the ones who are quick and crafty enough tend to either outrun or outwit the hunt.  It's the older, sick or weaker foxes who are caught and killed.  OK, so there are clearly a lot of people who enjoy this so called sport and didn't give a toss about any other issues but when asked, I couldn't think of an equivalent way to cull the foxes that would specifically target the weaker species.  Guns, poison etc. are all too indiscriminate (and besides it tends to be the weaker foxes who go for the easy target of chicken houses etc.)  I'm not pro-hunting but this certainly made me think!  Anyone else?

Perhaps I have offended some people, it was not my intention to do so.  You may feel patronised and I cannot really apologise for that considering most anti-hunt posts seem to concentrate on "silly clothes" "silly traditions" .  This highlights a distain for the upper classes and a swipe at tradition and as for animal welfare . . . well the fox is dead before it's ripped apart, the fox is not going to feel any better about being chased by a farmer with a gun than it does about a pack of dogs, animals in nature live everyday in fear of death - you cannot put yourself in the fox's position as you don't have that fear.  Also, a pro fox ban website has stated their fear for the fox population if the ban goes through to the chap that could not fathom my argument.  FakePlastic -I apologise for upsetting you and clearly did not intend to incite people such as yourself

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If I'm woken up this xmas, as I was last year, to that uncivilised mob and their errant hounds milling around right outside my house again, I shall be most hacked off...

Well be the reckoning that hunting is ok Ahmed we could feed the dogs to the foxes?!

It is a good law and it was passed because not only is it cruel to let an animal rip another animal to peices but people have been trying for years to get this passed and finally someone is listening.   How would you like it if you were chased by dogs and ripped apart just because you exist?

FakePlastic - Sorry if I wasn't clear about what I meant about "the realities of nature". I was not referring to hunting, which I agree is cruel. But it is no more cruel than the death that any wild animal would experience. I don't particularly approve of hunting - I just think there are more important things to worry about. Wild animals die "natural" deaths which are every bit as unpleasant. You are all falling for the great New Labour manipulation - yet again! We ignore the relentless march of a corrupt Orwellian government, and spend vast amounts of energy debating the merits of an activity which is so inconsequential. They must be laughing their socks off!

The most scandalous thing about the whole issue is that there are so many other issues that are so much more important than fox hunting.

It's ridiculous that the people who run this country and create its laws should spend so much time money and effort on fox hunting when there are wars, poverty, the homeless, child abuse, cloning, hospital superbug, etc etc etc that need their attention.

Whatever you think of the ban, it's not nearly the most important thing these days.

And what's more, just to carry on the rant a bit, the utter ridiculousness of the priorities is made so clear when you realise that now, these days, you are not allowed to frighten a fox, but you are still allowed to hit a child.
And yet more!! - I do hope that bernardo's posting as the first answer had its tongue shoved very firmly in its cheek. Surely, it must have been a fine piece of irony rather than an honestly-held opinion.........??
NO! I think you must be the only one !! I agree that the countryside needs to be maintained but I do feel there are more humane ways of dealing with it like out right shooting - its relatively painless and is over alot quicker. There is certainly NO NEED to rip aminals apart !

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