Messed Up

[spathiphyllum]

It's messed up that we live in a country where it's easier to get a house by not working, having a few kids and not putting the dad on the birth certificate than to work honestly with your partner and get a mortgage.

Worse off, i'm apparently the issue for highlighting this unethical backwards society.

[Calicogirl]

Don't attack single mothers because you can't get a mortgage Spath, you just play into the hands of those who want to divide and conquer. There really are not many career 'breeders' out there whatever Jeremy Kyle would have you believe. with regards to getting a mortgage you're self employed you just need to learn to play to what they want ;-)

[spathiphyllum]

Regardless of who you're employed by 25 K aint easy to come across.

I know people younger than me with their own home just because they have a kid. They can't drive, they have no qualifications, no jobs.

In the long run the affects will be dire.

[Calicogirl]

so actually it's that you don't earn enough to save for a deposit then, nothing to do with not being able to get a mortgage?

[spathiphyllum]

no it's the fact modern society (proven by this discussion) feels it's OK to dish our accommodation for those who don't work for it, and to those who drain society and those that do the opposite have to struggle.

[spathiphyllum]

It's not just about me, thousands are in a similar boat and thousands have free homes cus they got knocked up at the age of 16.

[Calicogirl]

You're always coming out with this misogynistic clap trap about girls getting knocked up Spath and how hard done by you are because of it. It's not true by and large and shouldn't affect how successful you are in the least anyway since you don't have any children to take into account. You should be flying high with no responsibilities except being successful, yet all you do is moan and blame other people because you feel they are having something you ought to be having. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't covet the life of a pregnant 16 year girl living on a sink hole estate, if you do then that's what's wrong with your life, not whatever the girl has.

[david small]

You aren’t wrong spath. Upside is down, and inside is out. Reasons to be cheerful 1,2,3.

[spathiphyllum]

Why is it misogynistic?

There are thousands of women who feel the same. Just because they didn't get knocked up at 16 and got a free house.

You're putting that perception on me, which makes you defensive. I'm not a misogynist

[spathiphyllum]

"I'm pretty sure you wouldn't covet the life of a pregnant 16 year girl living on a sink hole estate"

Well the estates around my end are actually lovely

If it was the same for males i'd feel the same way. This is not a man and woman issue, this is a society catering for those who can't be faffed to do anything for themselfs issue.

Ironic most of the girls with kids or pregnant are those that refused to do PE, refused to do mock exams, got away with appalling behaviour and were rather happy to sexually experiment.

[spathiphyllum]

Not to mention they always got away with breaking school uniform rules with trainers or slutty skirts.

[spathiphyllum]

The guys who were similar, are mostly the kids dads by the way before you call me a misogynist again. Except they're even worse, so much to the point the poor stupid girls don't even want them to be a part of their kids life.

[Calicogirl]

The way you always state this the implication is it's the girl's fault alone, and it's pretty irky and hate filled language you use. As I said this myth of girls getting pregnant to deliberately get some council flat is pretty much that- a myth, yet you persist in implying it's common and in some way depriving you, and yeah it does make you sound like a misogynist. Even with plenty of money it's not easy to rear children single handedly, I've witnessed that first hand recently, but on benefits in social housing, you really think people aspire to that and in some way it harms you? No you're so wide of the mark it's almost incredible.

[Calicogirl]

'Slutty skirts' - says the man defending himself against misogynist allegations lol .

[spathiphyllum]

I'm not saying the girls think "Oh, i want a house so i'll have a kid" I'm not saying that at all.. But the fact it happens anyhow is the issue regardless if they wanted it or not.

"yeah it does make you sound like a misogynist."

From your perception, but fact is i'm not.

[spathiphyllum]

Yeah and the guys wore slutty trainers and got away with it also. The word slutty isn't misogynistic. I love sluts.

[Calicogirl]

Yes from my perception, you have massive issues with women, particularly 'slutty women' who do what they want, girls getting pregnant because you think they want housing or because they're sexually promiscuous and you don't approve, and feminists in general, so yeah I think you're a misogynist.

Got to go out to the Chinese New Year thingy now, but I'll be back in a couple of hours x

[spathiphyllum]

You're failing to see, i have a massive issue with scroungers, not women. Male scroungers are if anything worse because they are literally good for nothing.

Have a lovely time for CNY.

[spathiphyllum]

they just don't get free housing as easy.

And again, i'm not saying the women have a choice but regardless they get it. I'm not saying the reason for the kid is the house, but the reason for the house, is the kid.

[Bazile]

david small

Why did you have to go and spoil things by butting in on this spat ?

[david small]

Carry on, don’t mind me....