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Justify This Rwanda Thing From A Non-Religious Angle
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Not interested in party politics, but want to hear want the non religious think. Is there any ethical argument or morality in secularism or humanism that could justify this proposal?
I know what the Archbishop of Canterbury thinks and for the record I agree with him. Dont bring God into it I want to hear the secular and humanist arguments
I know what the Archbishop of Canterbury thinks and for the record I agree with him. Dont bring God into it I want to hear the secular and humanist arguments
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I think you need to ask yourself why should this country accept the influx of largely young male illegal immigrants who are being allowed to stay here at considerable expense to the taxpayer. Also often overlooked is the fact that by arriving announced and without authority they leap frog those applying to come here for genuine reasons and who have gone through the proper channels.
The government is selling this proposal on the basis that it will deter people from risking their lives crossing a busy waterway. It won't do that, but even if it did, that should not be their primary concern. Their main aim should be to stop the resources of this country being plundered by people with no leave to land here at the detriment of those already here.
So if you are interested in morality, consider whether it is moral for the government to spend £1.8bn a year on hotel accommodation for these people when the country is in such a parlous financial state and the population is currently being taxed at one of the highest rates in history. Also bear in mind that, unlike the people in Ukraine, those setting out in rubber boats from Northern France are in no immediate danger of peril. They simply don't like it where they've made their way to. As always, there's two lots of morals but unfortunately one seems to be trumping the other at every turn.
The government is selling this proposal on the basis that it will deter people from risking their lives crossing a busy waterway. It won't do that, but even if it did, that should not be their primary concern. Their main aim should be to stop the resources of this country being plundered by people with no leave to land here at the detriment of those already here.
So if you are interested in morality, consider whether it is moral for the government to spend £1.8bn a year on hotel accommodation for these people when the country is in such a parlous financial state and the population is currently being taxed at one of the highest rates in history. Also bear in mind that, unlike the people in Ukraine, those setting out in rubber boats from Northern France are in no immediate danger of peril. They simply don't like it where they've made their way to. As always, there's two lots of morals but unfortunately one seems to be trumping the other at every turn.
//The safety and wellbeing of the refugees is the most important thing here//
As above, no it isn't. There are 67m people in this country who are suffering hardship and are being taxed to the hilt for various reasons - some justified, many not. Accommodating this influx is costing astronomical sums - money which could be spent alleviating the hardship of the people in this country whose interests the government was elected to protect. Those setting out from Northern France are not in any immediate danger. Any peril that they encounter in their crossing is entirely due to the fact that they have embarked on a journey in an unsuitable craft. They have no need to do it and it is not the responsibility of the UK government to secure their safety when they have taken such ridiculous risks.
As above, no it isn't. There are 67m people in this country who are suffering hardship and are being taxed to the hilt for various reasons - some justified, many not. Accommodating this influx is costing astronomical sums - money which could be spent alleviating the hardship of the people in this country whose interests the government was elected to protect. Those setting out from Northern France are not in any immediate danger. Any peril that they encounter in their crossing is entirely due to the fact that they have embarked on a journey in an unsuitable craft. They have no need to do it and it is not the responsibility of the UK government to secure their safety when they have taken such ridiculous risks.
fireleaves, they need to be deterred, now I've no doubt the Rwanda scheme will get sabotaged by lawyers but we have to do something. They are in France, France is a safe country there is no earthly reason why they need to risk their lives crossing the channel. Regardless of christian values we are not a limitless resource.
//As you asked, the Golden Law in Christianity, treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and love your neighbour as yourself which Jesus lists as one of the two great commandments.//
You said not to bring religion into this. But since you have, I am not a Christian, I have no religious beliefs, I do not believe in the person Jesus whom you mention and so I am not bound by any “commandments” you believe he may have issued. But I do believe in treating others as I would like to be treated. I do not like to be treated as a mug by having to fund the lives of people who have no right to be here but have made their way here because they don’t like it where they are. Instead I would like to be treated with a bit of respect by the government the country elected and in particular I would like that government to respect the people of this country who are paying for this scandal. Every penny taken from them to deal with it is a penny they do not have to spend on the problems they face - and many face plenty.
You said not to bring religion into this. But since you have, I am not a Christian, I have no religious beliefs, I do not believe in the person Jesus whom you mention and so I am not bound by any “commandments” you believe he may have issued. But I do believe in treating others as I would like to be treated. I do not like to be treated as a mug by having to fund the lives of people who have no right to be here but have made their way here because they don’t like it where they are. Instead I would like to be treated with a bit of respect by the government the country elected and in particular I would like that government to respect the people of this country who are paying for this scandal. Every penny taken from them to deal with it is a penny they do not have to spend on the problems they face - and many face plenty.
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