Lord of the Rings

[##Wardy##]

It has been a long time since I read the books, so I am hoping somebody can explain some things from the movie.

1) Is Gandalf classified a man? If not, how come is a ring bearer?

2) If Elves are immortal, how come Arwen was dying?

3) Did Wormtongue kill Sauraman because he decided he was evil afterall, or because Sauraman was going to spill the beans to the Fellowship?

Thanks in advance.

[kempie]

2) It's a misconception that Elves are immortal. Tolkien explained it thus; "The Elves were sufficiently longeval to be called by Man 'immortal'. But they were not unageing or unwearying".

Arwen is also partly human. Her father, Elrond, is half-elven, and was given the choice whether to be counted among the 'immortal' elves, or to be counted among mortal humans. He chose elvendom, but all his descendants ultimately have to make the same choice. Arwen loves Aragorn, a mortal, and chooses to live out a mortal lifespan.

[EssJay1]

Gandalf isn't classed as a man - but
I don't think they say in the films that he is a wizard. He doesn't bear a ring. In truth, I think in the films he avoids touching the ring at all, leaving it to Frodo to touch and examine.

[marwel7]

3 for the Elven Kings
7 for the Dwarf Lords
9 for mortal man (who became the Nazgul)
1 for the Dark Lord.

According to Wikipedia Gandalf bears one of the Elven rings.

[MrBadger]

3) In the books, Wormtongue does NOT kill Saruman during the confrontation at Isengard. The Ents eventually allow Saruman to depart, believing that he is no longer dangerous. When the hobbits return home to the Shire they find it under martial law, ruled by a 'big chief' known as Sharkey. Sharkey turns out to be Saruman, but the hobbits led by Merry and Pippin overturn his rule and throw him out. There is a final confrontation between Saruman and Frodo, in which Frodo spares Saruman's life. As they depart Saruman curses Wormtongue, and Wormtongue snaps and turns on him, stabbing him to death. Wormtongue is in turn shot with arrows from several hobbit archers and dies.

In the film, this whole end sequence in the Shire is cut out, and Wormtongue kills Saruman at Isengard for reasons that are not altogether explained. I assume this was done because even with this much abridged ending, the film is still very long for the cinema. Indeed, I think in the original cinema version of Return of the King, the scenes with Saruman and Wormtongue were cut completely; they appear only in the later 'extended' version

[spudqueen]

In the Silmarillion Gandalf is one of the Ring bearers.

[baudeagle]

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