I Wonder Why This Number Is Rising So...
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Uk's Population Reaches 64 Million
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Every year we are told of these alarming figures of population growth in the UK, when are our politicians going to address the problems that such a unsustainable rise in population is creating?
Every year we are told of these alarming figures of population growth in the UK, when are our politicians going to address the problems that such a unsustainable rise in population is creating?
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This phenomenon has not only been highlighted in the organs of "bile and spleen". That well know right-wing organisation the BBC also carried an article on it. It is certainly not a non-issue. It is a serious matter which needs to be addressed. The comparison with the country's rate of population growth in earlier times is not really appropriate, Gromit. It...
14:47 Fri 27th Jun 2014
64 million compared to our less than 23 million.
Take into account land mass.
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Take into account land mass.
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Milvus
/// As more than 50% of the growth is attributable to the net result of births and deaths are you suggesting government limits on the number of children allowed in a family? ///
Of course not, when simply limiting immigration would address both the problem of too many people and the increases in birth rates.
*** Previous figures have shown that around a quarter of births in England and Wales last year were to mothers born overseas. ***
/// As more than 50% of the growth is attributable to the net result of births and deaths are you suggesting government limits on the number of children allowed in a family? ///
Of course not, when simply limiting immigration would address both the problem of too many people and the increases in birth rates.
*** Previous figures have shown that around a quarter of births in England and Wales last year were to mothers born overseas. ***
The number of children in a family is self limiting if parents are expected to pay all the cost off their offspring and not expect the State to pay because they are more concerned about the children suffering than the parents are.
We are full. Net immigration should stop save for genuine asylum seekers and those who can put a case for being an exception. That and a natural limit on breeding here is necessary, but I despair of folk in authority have the sense to achieve it.
We are full. Net immigration should stop save for genuine asylum seekers and those who can put a case for being an exception. That and a natural limit on breeding here is necessary, but I despair of folk in authority have the sense to achieve it.
DrFilth
/// look back at the second world war and think how the nazis rounded up all the jewish people in france ///
/// they used the census ///
Can't quite see your point in bringing the Nazis into the debate, but on the other hand, do you really think that illegals, or even some legally here, enter their names on census forms?
/// look back at the second world war and think how the nazis rounded up all the jewish people in france ///
/// they used the census ///
Can't quite see your point in bringing the Nazis into the debate, but on the other hand, do you really think that illegals, or even some legally here, enter their names on census forms?
Yes the figures are alarming and will continue to be so, probably indefinitely. As well as this they are also considerably understated for the reasons already mentioned.
As far as the birth rate is concerned figures suggest that about 25% of births are to mothers overseas whilst the percentage of the population born overseas is around 12%. So the contribution to the natural population increase made by those from overseas is about twice as great as that made by those born here. Of course one way to discourage people from having too many children is to restrict benefits (including child tax credits, child allowance and working tax credits) to a level which is currently provided for just two children. Have any more than that and you finance them yourself.
As far as immigration is concerned, as I have said before the publication of "net" migration figures (which are bad enough in themselves) is dishonest. It masks the fact that the population is being exchanged for highly skilled or affluent, self sufficient people for those less skilled and dependant on hefty support. But even looking at the net figures, an increase of 400,000 in a year represents the population of a city like Bristol.
As far as infrastructure goes it is obvious that such growth is unsustainable. In 2013 there were about 110,000 new house completions and few of these were "affordable" (i.e. free or nearly so). Bear in mind that many of the 200,000 newcomers are unlikely to be able to afford an "unaffordable" home (i.e. one which attracts the going rate in either sale price or rent) and it is clear that a housing crisis is inevitable. Health, education and other vital services are at breaking point. Meantime the government sits on its hands whilst presiding over one of the greatest crises of our time (but they are going to slap a hefty 5p on a carrier bag, though, so we'll be OK).
As far as the birth rate is concerned figures suggest that about 25% of births are to mothers overseas whilst the percentage of the population born overseas is around 12%. So the contribution to the natural population increase made by those from overseas is about twice as great as that made by those born here. Of course one way to discourage people from having too many children is to restrict benefits (including child tax credits, child allowance and working tax credits) to a level which is currently provided for just two children. Have any more than that and you finance them yourself.
As far as immigration is concerned, as I have said before the publication of "net" migration figures (which are bad enough in themselves) is dishonest. It masks the fact that the population is being exchanged for highly skilled or affluent, self sufficient people for those less skilled and dependant on hefty support. But even looking at the net figures, an increase of 400,000 in a year represents the population of a city like Bristol.
As far as infrastructure goes it is obvious that such growth is unsustainable. In 2013 there were about 110,000 new house completions and few of these were "affordable" (i.e. free or nearly so). Bear in mind that many of the 200,000 newcomers are unlikely to be able to afford an "unaffordable" home (i.e. one which attracts the going rate in either sale price or rent) and it is clear that a housing crisis is inevitable. Health, education and other vital services are at breaking point. Meantime the government sits on its hands whilst presiding over one of the greatest crises of our time (but they are going to slap a hefty 5p on a carrier bag, though, so we'll be OK).
new judge we are lied to each day and the sheep just follow here is one for you each year on the elections form
register of electors
did you know you MUST register every year even if you don't intend to vote
it is a criminal offence either to fail to respond or to falsely complete it
question them to show you the law, there isn't one
register of electors
did you know you MUST register every year even if you don't intend to vote
it is a criminal offence either to fail to respond or to falsely complete it
question them to show you the law, there isn't one
I think you raised this question before, Dr F and I think I provided the answer. However, I may be wrong, so, the Representation of the People (England and Wales) Regulations 2001 makes it mandatory:
Power to require information
23. (1) A registration officer may require any person to give information required for the purposes of that officer’s duties in maintaining registers of parliamentary and local government electors.
(2) A registration officer is under a duty to require persons to give information required for the purposes of that officer’s duty under section 3(1) of the Juries Act 1974(1).
(3) If any person—
(a)fails to comply with, or
(b)gives false information in pursuance of,
any such requisition of the registration officer as is mentioned in this regulation, he shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
You will note that the matter of whether one intends to vote or not is not relevant. You should also note that the register is used to call people for jury duty. Full details here:
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Power to require information
23. (1) A registration officer may require any person to give information required for the purposes of that officer’s duties in maintaining registers of parliamentary and local government electors.
(2) A registration officer is under a duty to require persons to give information required for the purposes of that officer’s duty under section 3(1) of the Juries Act 1974(1).
(3) If any person—
(a)fails to comply with, or
(b)gives false information in pursuance of,
any such requisition of the registration officer as is mentioned in this regulation, he shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
You will note that the matter of whether one intends to vote or not is not relevant. You should also note that the register is used to call people for jury duty. Full details here:
http://
DTCwordfanMark
/// So what method of extermination or population reduction are you proposing, aog? ///
Why be so melodramatic, since you seem to find it difficult to find a solution apart from culling, perhaps you should listen and read what most people say and write, and that is to put a curb on immigration.
I can't see why you find it so difficult to arrive at the same conclusion?
/// So what method of extermination or population reduction are you proposing, aog? ///
Why be so melodramatic, since you seem to find it difficult to find a solution apart from culling, perhaps you should listen and read what most people say and write, and that is to put a curb on immigration.
I can't see why you find it so difficult to arrive at the same conclusion?
The UK population has risen dramatically for the last 250 years. The rate of increase now is not as sharp as in the past. 64 million is not really a problem. If we started to decrease, that is when we should worry.
// Russian President Vladimir Putin directed Parliament to adopt a 10-year program to stop the sharp decline in Russia's population, principally by offering financial incentives and subsidies to encourage women to have children. Australia currently offers a $5,000 bonus for every baby plus additional fortnightly payments, a free immunisation scheme and recently proposed to pay all child care costs for women who want to work. Many European countries, including France, Italy, Germany and Poland, have offered some combination of bonuses and monthly payments to families. Some Japanese localities, facing significant population loss, are offering economic incentives. Yamatsuri, a town of 7,000 just north of Tokyo, offers parents $4,600 for the birth of a child and $460 a year for 10 years. The Republic of Singapore has similar plans: $3,000 for the first child, $9,000 in cash and savings for the second; and up to $18,000 each for the third and fourth.[45] The effectiveness of these policies is currently the subject of debate. //
// Russian President Vladimir Putin directed Parliament to adopt a 10-year program to stop the sharp decline in Russia's population, principally by offering financial incentives and subsidies to encourage women to have children. Australia currently offers a $5,000 bonus for every baby plus additional fortnightly payments, a free immunisation scheme and recently proposed to pay all child care costs for women who want to work. Many European countries, including France, Italy, Germany and Poland, have offered some combination of bonuses and monthly payments to families. Some Japanese localities, facing significant population loss, are offering economic incentives. Yamatsuri, a town of 7,000 just north of Tokyo, offers parents $4,600 for the birth of a child and $460 a year for 10 years. The Republic of Singapore has similar plans: $3,000 for the first child, $9,000 in cash and savings for the second; and up to $18,000 each for the third and fourth.[45] The effectiveness of these policies is currently the subject of debate. //
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