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The Fall Of The Fourth Reich?
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This year sees the commemoration of old World wars, and the parallels with current events are there to be seen.
The Fourth Reich, otherwise known as the EU, is a monstrous army of bureaucrats through which Germany is once again seeking to dominate Europe.
Once again, Britain stands pretty much alone against its advance.
The unworkable Euro has caused a recession which leaves Germany in charge of events.
Fourth time lucky, or might Greece show the way to pull down the whole mess? Their exit would show British voters that an exit is entirely feasible, and a referendum would get us back in control of our own country.
The Fourth Reich, otherwise known as the EU, is a monstrous army of bureaucrats through which Germany is once again seeking to dominate Europe.
Once again, Britain stands pretty much alone against its advance.
The unworkable Euro has caused a recession which leaves Germany in charge of events.
Fourth time lucky, or might Greece show the way to pull down the whole mess? Their exit would show British voters that an exit is entirely feasible, and a referendum would get us back in control of our own country.
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Utter tripe, if you'll forgive me. I've just been looking at the credentials of Nikos Kotzias, the new Greek foreign minister. If that is the future of a "brave new Europe" then God help us all
Britain stands alone against an army of bureaucrats. Anyone somehow able reading that post in 1940 might have died laughing first
Britain stands alone against an army of bureaucrats. Anyone somehow able reading that post in 1940 might have died laughing first
Yes, deliberate hyperbole, but the whole EU is so preposterous that it's quite justified!
Svejk's driving tax post is a perfect example. Instead of making the EU competitive and encouraging growth, Ms Bulc is proposing more costs and a massive buraucratic tax system.
It would be dismissed as a joke anywhere except in the EU...
Svejk's driving tax post is a perfect example. Instead of making the EU competitive and encouraging growth, Ms Bulc is proposing more costs and a massive buraucratic tax system.
It would be dismissed as a joke anywhere except in the EU...
I forget which historian it was but they had a convincing argument about the fall of the Roman empire: by the time of its height, about 1 in 3 citizens was a government servant of one sort or other. The perks of such jobs were considerable (cf. EU salary rates).
So much money was spent on administering their landholdings and state-run businesses that they couldn't afford much of an army. With too few soldiers trying to police too much land, it was inevitable that the barbarians would beat them back, in the long run.
So much money was spent on administering their landholdings and state-run businesses that they couldn't afford much of an army. With too few soldiers trying to police too much land, it was inevitable that the barbarians would beat them back, in the long run.
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Evidently not.
@Svejk
For once, a Dally Mildew article I didn't want to smeer at. Good find!
Somehow you just know that every UK penny raised by these tolls would get spent on improving cruddy eastern European roads purely so that France and Germany can get their delivery trucks in and back on the same day and sell them more stuff. Places that are far away enough from us that our delivery costs would wipe out our profits.
The EU has always been about making trading conditions good for Germany and France and they treat us like mugs.
I still recall Jeremy Clarkson's comments about how great the roads in Spain were (1990s?)… that we'd all paid for.
Redistribution of wealth (to the needy) is all very well, within the bounds of a society you are a part of but when your own contribution is redistributed to a completely different geographical area, which you have no intention of going to - beyond your horizons of what you regard 'society' as being - it begins to feel more like offshore raiders landed and robbed you.
If 100% of UK payments to EU were spent back in the UK, that would still be a waste of administrative effort. If we got back more than we paid in, other Euro countries would be moaning about us. I can only conclude that we pay in more than we're getting out.
I am incensed that Milliband was too stupid to realise this and have the sense to put the EU referendum in their manifesto. As things stand, I'm blackmailed into voting Tory, meaning we get the whole package, for the sake of a single issue.
I'm convinced a referendum was promised for this current parliament but the LibDems stopped it or the Tories stalled it themselves, realizing that they could blackmail us with it, in 2015. Anyway their last manifesto will promptly be taken down from their website, like previous embarassments.
Evidently not.
@Svejk
For once, a Dally Mildew article I didn't want to smeer at. Good find!
Somehow you just know that every UK penny raised by these tolls would get spent on improving cruddy eastern European roads purely so that France and Germany can get their delivery trucks in and back on the same day and sell them more stuff. Places that are far away enough from us that our delivery costs would wipe out our profits.
The EU has always been about making trading conditions good for Germany and France and they treat us like mugs.
I still recall Jeremy Clarkson's comments about how great the roads in Spain were (1990s?)… that we'd all paid for.
Redistribution of wealth (to the needy) is all very well, within the bounds of a society you are a part of but when your own contribution is redistributed to a completely different geographical area, which you have no intention of going to - beyond your horizons of what you regard 'society' as being - it begins to feel more like offshore raiders landed and robbed you.
If 100% of UK payments to EU were spent back in the UK, that would still be a waste of administrative effort. If we got back more than we paid in, other Euro countries would be moaning about us. I can only conclude that we pay in more than we're getting out.
I am incensed that Milliband was too stupid to realise this and have the sense to put the EU referendum in their manifesto. As things stand, I'm blackmailed into voting Tory, meaning we get the whole package, for the sake of a single issue.
I'm convinced a referendum was promised for this current parliament but the LibDems stopped it or the Tories stalled it themselves, realizing that they could blackmail us with it, in 2015. Anyway their last manifesto will promptly be taken down from their website, like previous embarassments.
I think the UK is fourth largest net contributor, after Germany, France & Italy, but only because we still have some of the rebate Ms Thatcher negotiated, even after Tony Bliar gave a chunk of it away for no benefit.
By the way, who'd invest in a company whose entire board had resigned twice for fiddling, and whose accounts hadn't been approved by its auditors for many years?
By the way, who'd invest in a company whose entire board had resigned twice for fiddling, and whose accounts hadn't been approved by its auditors for many years?
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