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Covid Test Sir? Just Get In Your Car And Drive For 2 Hours.....
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this has been going on for some weeks - I mentioned some weeks back that a colleague in Birmingham had been sent to Lincoln for a test (but was poo-pooed by others on this site).
is this maybe to check that your eyesight isn't affected by the virus? probably not! but what can the justification be for forcing potentially sick people into their cars for hours?
this has been going on for some weeks - I mentioned some weeks back that a colleague in Birmingham had been sent to Lincoln for a test (but was poo-pooed by others on this site).
is this maybe to check that your eyesight isn't affected by the virus? probably not! but what can the justification be for forcing potentially sick people into their cars for hours?
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you can send for it, dannyk
"Needless to say I have subsequently ordered a home testing kit, which despite three automated email reminders to take the test has yet to arrive. I'd do the test if I had it."
Now they're planning routine weekly testing
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and yet when they found 15 people on a flight from Greece proved positive ... they didn't bother to trace anyone else on the flight
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Their target is only to check 30% of arrivals anyway
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This whole thing is a mess. I agree with ymb that Hancock should be carrying the can, but the only government response is to sack senior civil servants.
"Needless to say I have subsequently ordered a home testing kit, which despite three automated email reminders to take the test has yet to arrive. I'd do the test if I had it."
Now they're planning routine weekly testing
https:/
and yet when they found 15 people on a flight from Greece proved positive ... they didn't bother to trace anyone else on the flight
https:/
Their target is only to check 30% of arrivals anyway
https:/
This whole thing is a mess. I agree with ymb that Hancock should be carrying the can, but the only government response is to sack senior civil servants.
// The problem is with the labs being filled up not the testing centres.//
not sure about that- there are the tests - and people are bidding for money and colouring their opinion of "this test is good ( mine )" and "that test is crap ( someone else 's ) "
and adding that the length of time to test - "the test takes 25 mins" may not be better than "the test takes 90 min"
may not be the pinch point on time
but the tooing and froing before and after
that is - - - a very efficient transport process ( oo er mrs this is dear old blighty) and a slower test may be better than a slow boat to chine and a zippy test taking 30 s
so the decider should be quality of the process
and not quality of the test
sozza
taking a comment on covid test efficiency on AB seriously - I know the risks I run
now let the hundreds of AB answers - "fu the fooing test fu fu fu!" flow or clog the system
and shorter ones "foo!"
post on ABers !
not sure about that- there are the tests - and people are bidding for money and colouring their opinion of "this test is good ( mine )" and "that test is crap ( someone else 's ) "
and adding that the length of time to test - "the test takes 25 mins" may not be better than "the test takes 90 min"
may not be the pinch point on time
but the tooing and froing before and after
that is - - - a very efficient transport process ( oo er mrs this is dear old blighty) and a slower test may be better than a slow boat to chine and a zippy test taking 30 s
so the decider should be quality of the process
and not quality of the test
sozza
taking a comment on covid test efficiency on AB seriously - I know the risks I run
now let the hundreds of AB answers - "fu the fooing test fu fu fu!" flow or clog the system
and shorter ones "foo!"
post on ABers !
I heard some stories today and understand they have now limited it to something like 75 miles but even that seems odd based on my experience. I've seen a number of centres at football grounds for example and even saw one in a side street (but that was only in a small building so may have been for private tests). Maybe they are pop-up sites that are moved from place to place and I'm just seeing the same one in lots of places
Just done a few checks on a few locations. Here is North Yorkshire
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Lots of results for Bristol and London too.
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Lots of results for Bristol and London too.
The average daily number of deaths from Covid in August was 10. The average daily number of deaths from a selection of other causes (last year’s figures) is:
Cancer: 450
Dementia/Alzheimer’s: 141
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases: 51
Influenza/Pneumonia: 48
When will this lunacy end? I agree that of the above the first two are not infectious and the third may not be. But the last one certainly is. On top of that there is now growing evidence that people are dying of non-Covid illnesses (particularly cancer and cardio-respiratory diseases) as a direct result of lack of treatment due to the NHS working very much below strength “because of Covid.”
It’s quite obvious that the testing system doesn’t work properly; tales of people being sent from one end of the country to the other for a test are not isolated. The DIY at home version also seems not to work very well. It is now quite clear that the government’s efforts to “control the virus” consist basically of ordering people to wear face coverings and imposing quarantine restrictions on travellers returning from places where the infection rate is often lower than that in their home towns. Neither of these is particularly effective and since the virus cannot be “controlled” by this government or any other it’s about time that was accepted and we all got on with normal life.
Cancer: 450
Dementia/Alzheimer’s: 141
Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases: 51
Influenza/Pneumonia: 48
When will this lunacy end? I agree that of the above the first two are not infectious and the third may not be. But the last one certainly is. On top of that there is now growing evidence that people are dying of non-Covid illnesses (particularly cancer and cardio-respiratory diseases) as a direct result of lack of treatment due to the NHS working very much below strength “because of Covid.”
It’s quite obvious that the testing system doesn’t work properly; tales of people being sent from one end of the country to the other for a test are not isolated. The DIY at home version also seems not to work very well. It is now quite clear that the government’s efforts to “control the virus” consist basically of ordering people to wear face coverings and imposing quarantine restrictions on travellers returning from places where the infection rate is often lower than that in their home towns. Neither of these is particularly effective and since the virus cannot be “controlled” by this government or any other it’s about time that was accepted and we all got on with normal life.
//Count me out of that.//
You can count me out, too, Zacs. I do my own sums, assess my own risk and act accordingly (where I'm permitted to).
But large numbers of the population were scared witless - and many of them still are. I have a 35 year old relative who will near enough not leave the house and will not do so "until it is safe" to do so. I've tried to convince her that it has never been entirely safe to leave your house and never will be. But she's adamant. I've really no idea when - or even if - she will ever go outside again. She has a good job which she is doing at home and it's not helped by her employer telling her to stay there at least until next year.
Here's a passage from a paper prepared by SAGE’s behavioural science sub-group SPI-B, for discussion at SAGE #18 on 23rd March 2020:
"Perceived threat: A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group, although levels of concern may be rising. Having a good understanding of the risk has been found to be positively
associated with adoption of COVID-19 social distancing measures in Hong Kong. The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging."
It's clear this advice was taken and also clear that no effort to instil "a good understanding of the risk" was made. Some people still do not have any understanding of the risk they face. It's mainly the reason why the country is in the state it's in. People were deliberately frightened into compliance by the government and for many that fright has not left them. It's disgraceful that a government should scare its population when there was no reason to do so other than to secure compliance with unreasonable instructions.
You can count me out, too, Zacs. I do my own sums, assess my own risk and act accordingly (where I'm permitted to).
But large numbers of the population were scared witless - and many of them still are. I have a 35 year old relative who will near enough not leave the house and will not do so "until it is safe" to do so. I've tried to convince her that it has never been entirely safe to leave your house and never will be. But she's adamant. I've really no idea when - or even if - she will ever go outside again. She has a good job which she is doing at home and it's not helped by her employer telling her to stay there at least until next year.
Here's a passage from a paper prepared by SAGE’s behavioural science sub-group SPI-B, for discussion at SAGE #18 on 23rd March 2020:
"Perceived threat: A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group, although levels of concern may be rising. Having a good understanding of the risk has been found to be positively
associated with adoption of COVID-19 social distancing measures in Hong Kong. The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging."
It's clear this advice was taken and also clear that no effort to instil "a good understanding of the risk" was made. Some people still do not have any understanding of the risk they face. It's mainly the reason why the country is in the state it's in. People were deliberately frightened into compliance by the government and for many that fright has not left them. It's disgraceful that a government should scare its population when there was no reason to do so other than to secure compliance with unreasonable instructions.
>The average daily number of deaths from Covid in August was 10.
Well it was several hundreds a day in April and could well have been thousands a day then if no action had been taken when the curve was rising rapidly. Since then has been reduced dramatically, so the measures do seem to be working NJ. Or should we accept 500 deaths a day in order to be able to go shopping without a mask, go clubbing and attend football matches?
Well it was several hundreds a day in April and could well have been thousands a day then if no action had been taken when the curve was rising rapidly. Since then has been reduced dramatically, so the measures do seem to be working NJ. Or should we accept 500 deaths a day in order to be able to go shopping without a mask, go clubbing and attend football matches?
being invited and turning up are two different things
just as
thinking of going to Barnards castle
and actually driving there
are two very very different activities
On top of that there is now growing evidence that people are dying of non-Covid illnesses (particularly cancer and cardio-respiratory diseases) as a direct result of lack of treatment
flip back to my brilliant but ignored post and substitue
cancer doctor says that there is growing evidence
Karol Sikora for it is he .....
and others ( cancer doctors ) say the evidence is slight
and I am afraid the numbers game favours the deniers
to present with liver secondaries like Cardinal Hume you have it for around 36 months - and the thesis ( thx to Karol sikora ) says that if you have it until 37 m you cut short very many months of survival - - -
piffle in my opinion
just as
thinking of going to Barnards castle
and actually driving there
are two very very different activities
On top of that there is now growing evidence that people are dying of non-Covid illnesses (particularly cancer and cardio-respiratory diseases) as a direct result of lack of treatment
flip back to my brilliant but ignored post and substitue
cancer doctor says that there is growing evidence
Karol Sikora for it is he .....
and others ( cancer doctors ) say the evidence is slight
and I am afraid the numbers game favours the deniers
to present with liver secondaries like Cardinal Hume you have it for around 36 months - and the thesis ( thx to Karol sikora ) says that if you have it until 37 m you cut short very many months of survival - - -
piffle in my opinion
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