Jab

[francish]

who. is looking f0rward to the virus jab

[New Judge]

//Regarding isolating,I didn't witness anyone being forced only requested with the possibility of a fine.//

It's a strange interpretation you have of "requested" and "forced". The only sanction for exceeding the speed limit is a fine. So do you suggest that drivers are "requested" not to exceed them, of "forced" not to do so? However, there's no real need to answer that because although you may not have witnessed it, the power to "force" is available. Have a look at The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) Regulations 2020:

Enforcement

10.—(1) Where an authorised person considers that P is away from the place that they are self-isolating in contravention of regulation 2, the authorised person may—

(a)direct P to return to the place where they are self-isolating, or
(b)remove P to the place that they are self-isolating.
(2) An authorised person exercising the power in paragraph (1)(b) may use reasonable force, if necessary, in exercise of the power.

In the case of self-isolation (which you raised) the reasons they may leave home are very much more restrictive than the normal "stay-at-home" instructions that the whole of England are subject to and it is only permissible to leave home in a very small number of circumstances, And that confinement may have arise as a result of a malicious act to confound the track & tracing service or because a person just happened to be in the same premises as someone who tested positive (but may not necessarily have been anywhere near them).

You should not make such a trivial portrayal of these regulations. People are not being "kindly requested" to stay indoors as far as they can. They are being forced to do so.

[teacake44]

I also recall you saying NJ that you couldn't see a vaccine anytime soon, ( if at all) now you seem to be convincing yourself that the NHS won't be able to deliver the vaccine to make a difference. Sheeesh :0(

[ichkeria]

“ Glad I was able to cheer you up. They can't force you to wear a seat belt, only fine you if they see you not wearing one. I've never seen a police officer forcing a belt round someone. This should also make you laugh”

Your original claim was that staying at home in certain circumstances was not compulsory.
I’m just pointing out that it in fact is.

[teacake44]

12.54 NJ, If anyone on here has been making these rules trivial and un-inforcable for the past few months its got to be you., now all of a sudden you're going the other way.

[teacake44]

13.01 Thanks to NJ he's been telling us all how to get round it, and not possible to enforce. request put unable to force.

[New Judge]

//I also recall you saying NJ that you couldn't see a vaccine anytime soon,...//

You recall correctly. And yesterday when the question was raised I said I'd be delighted to be proved wrong. I will also be delighted (provided it is released for use) to see the NHS deliver it in a timely fashion. I read that one of the strategies to see that successful delivery will be GP surgeries opening seven days a week and restricting many other services they deliver. My GP's surgery only opens four and a half days a week in normal times and has been virtually closed to personal callers since March. So somebody might have to have a scout round for the door keys.

I'm very much a "glass half full" person in many respects, Sqad. But not when it comes to the health service. I and mine have been let down too many times and my expectations of it have been tempered accordingly. My NHS glass is almost empty. That way I'm not too disappointed.

[bhg481]

If NJ, who is connected to the law, is advocating that people break the law, do his posts class as spam and should they be deleted by a mod?

[Zacs-Master]

'People are not being "kindly requested" to stay indoors as far as they can. They are being forced to do so.'

How are they being 'forced'?

[New Judge]

//If anyone on here has been making these rules trivial and un-inforcable for the past few months its got to be you., now all of a sudden you're going the other way.//

I never said they were trivial. Nothing that takes personal freedom away is trivial. I did say many of them are unenforceable, which is plain to see. As far as your point goes I'm talking about the legislation and what powers it bestows (even though they may not be used widely). You suggested we are being "asked" to remain at home. We're not. We're being told to do so - under the threat of a fine and, in the case of self-isolation, under the threat of force.

[Zacs-Master]

NJ, you can't say on one hand people are being forced to do something and virtually in the same breath say the 'rules' are unenforceable.

[Sqad]

NJ

/////////But not when it comes to the health service. I and mine have been let down too many times and my expectations of it have been tempered accordingly. //////

That, I quite understand.

[New Judge]

//How are they being 'forced'?//

It depends on your interpretation of the word, Zacs. Anything I am restricted from doing under the threat of criminal sanction forces me (because I am generally law-abiding) to refrain from doing it. It doesn't physically prevent me from doing it but I know I face a sanction if I do. So effectively I'm being forced to comply.

[youngmafbog]

No, I wont be having it. Not just yet anyway. I am not comfortable at the moment that a vaccine can have been fully tested in the short time period.

In addition there are likely to be at least 3 different vaccinations so each will need to be assesed.

[agchristie]

I said on another thread that the other week I was interviewed twice at the police station by two officers.They said I didnt need to wear a mask but that they did.Wen I was led to the interview room they took them off!!

Just as well cos I cudnt tell wot he was sayin as his words were muffled.

[teacake44]

(In a timely fashion) have a little faith for once NJ, its in every ones interest that it will be done as quick as possible, they don't just intend to use surgeries to give the vaccine, also planning to give at test stations, the planning is already going on. But to even think that everyone is going to get it pronto would be stretching a little far at the moment, just be happy we have something to help.

[New Judge]

And I've just seen your latest. We're talking semantics I think but because a law is not readily enforceable it doesn't make it any less restrictive to people who are prepared to comply with the law. I know plenty of laws I can break without being prevented from doing or even being apprehended. But I don't break them. So the legislation effectively forces me to comply.

[ichkeria]

We’re playing with words here.
If you face punishment for not doing something however unlikely that may be, you are technically being forced to do it, albeit not physically. Especially if, as NJ says, you respect the law.
I’m not against people self isolating, far from it. I just wish there was a way of making it a less unattractive proposition. I never downloaded the NHS app because rightly or wrongly I feared getting a message telling me to do it.

[Zacs-Master]

'It depends on your interpretation of the word, Zacs'

There's zero 'interpretation' of the word 'forced'. You're either forced or you're not. Your explanation shows that you are not.

[youngmafbog]

Unless they hand over the logistics to the Army they will fail.

Hancock couldn't arrange a booze up in a brewery.

Wouldn't surprise me if this is Dido's next job. Guaranteed failure and lost of cash in her pocket.

[teacake44]

13.13 NJ, there is no limit on the distance you can travel for exercise, you pointed that out a few days ago. Where is the threat or fine in the latter. I say again its (You) that have come up with all the loop holes for months but you now choose for whatever reason to disagree with yourself. Anyhow off out now for my exercise plus shop. :0)