Boris Johnson Says Brexit Has Helped The Uk Bounce Back From Covid

[Hymie]

Maybe it has, and maybe it hasn’t – but Boris also announced some of the great Brexit pluses, including blue passports and the Crown Mark on pint glasses.

This got me thinking that it appears Boris is reading my posts on this site – but does not realise that I’m taking the p!§§ when I state that the great benefits of Brexit are blue passports and the Crown Mark on pint glasses (although I must admit, based on the posts from the pro-Brexit ABers – blue passports and the Crown Mark on pint glasses would indeed appear to be the highlights of the Brexit gains to the UK).

[ichkeria]

The best thing about Brexit (ok, so far, to be fair) is that people who didn't agree with it before can't really any more be accused of being undemocratic :-0

[Peter Pedant]

// but Boris also announced some of the great Brexit pluses, including blue passports and the Crown Mark on pint glasses.//

driving on the left hand side to confuse the froggies
and motorways as well - a great british Brexit innovation

oh and pioneering use of procedure to delay inquiry and retribution

[PM fwobbles flaxen locks, and blames office boy]

[Peter Pedant]

// The best thing about Brexit (ok, so far, to be fair) is that people who didn't agree with it before can't really any more be arrissed to say what a bad deal it is/

o god agree with that one!

[ToraToraTora]

more 5C cobras.

[Buenchico]

Crown marks on glasses were never prohibited anyway!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59868823

[ichkeria]

Was the crown mark, seriously, the first thing that came into Johnson’s head?

[New Judge]

//...blue passports and the Crown Mark on pint glasses would indeed appear to be the highlights of the Brexit gains to the UK//

You have the wrong idea, Hymie. The things you mention are merely some of the manifestations of the principle aim of Brexit - to enable the UK to take decisions in its own interests without having to seek the agreement of 27 other countries. There was nothing preventing the UK having blue passports when it was an EU member and to say to be allowed to have them now is misleading. I enjoyed receiving my new passport recently not because it was blue, but because it did not have the totally unnecessary "European Union" emblazoned on the cover. The EU is not a nation and it does not issue passports.

Personally I have no interest in tracking the advantages or disadvantages of Brexit. The UK will prosper whilst the EU will be lucky if it survives another ten years. I decided thirty years ago I wanted the UK to leave and nothing would have persuaded me otherwise - certainly not some of the ridiculous scaremongering that spewed forth from "Project Fear."

[Gromit]

He’s been supping too many pints lately.

[Atheist]

NJ: "I decided thirty years ago I wanted the UK to leave and nothing would have persuaded me otherwise -..."

I'm afraid that your statement indicates that you have a completely closed mind. I suspect that you didn't really mean what you said (at least, I hope so, otherwise there's no point in ever attempting a reasonable discussion with you.)

[Togo]

//otherwise there's no point in ever attempting a reasonable discussion with you.//

You've made your mind up then? Jolly good.

[Buenchico]

>>> to enable the UK to take decisions in its own interests without having to seek the agreement of 27 other countries

. . . or, as it seems to mean in reality, to allow England to make the rules without having to consult Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60191402

[New Judge]

//I suspect that you didn't really mean what you said...//

I most certainly did. I have stated my position on here many times. I have wanted the UK to leave the EU ever since that nice Mr Major signed the Maastricht Treaty in 1992. Since there was never any possibility of the EU changing the direction that the treaty set, I wanted out. Any advantages there were to membership (and there were some) were completely overwhelmed by the terms of that treaty. Couple that with the eastern expansion and there was no way that membership would ever be beneficial in the long term to the UK. I may have changed my mind if the EU had changed its mind, but that was never even a remote possibility.

// . . or, as it seems to mean in reality, to allow England to make the rules without having to consult Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland://

The UK government has no need to especially consult the individual constituent parts of the UK when making decisions for the UK.. They have their MPs at Westminster and they can use them to lobby the government. If they find themselves in a minority, that's bad luck. One (of many) of the unfortunate manifestations of devolution was it gave the minor areas delusions of grandeur.

[naomi24]

Atheist, I’ve never seen you engage in a reasonable discussion on politics.

[ichkeria]

The “blue passport” thing is also a myth

[dannyk13]

ich//The “blue passport” thing is also a myth//
How so?

[ichkeria]

The UK adopted the maroon passport voluntarily to fall in line with what most other countries were doing.

There was and is no compulsion. any more than in the case of the crown symbol
Croatia for example has not changed - and in fact their’s are blue …

[New Judge]

//The UK adopted the maroon passport voluntarily to fall in line with what most other countries were doing.//

Indeed. As I pointed out in my earlier post. These trivialities (most of which have no basis in fact) are being used to trash the case for Brexit. I don't know why - it's done and is unlikely ever to be reversed. What is required now is a government which can tear itself away from pee-ing it up at any and every opportunity and which can concentrate on emphasising to the EU that we are no longer members. This includes abandoning the outrageous "Northern Ireland Protocol" in its entirety. The EU seems quite adept at enforcing unnecessary (and unagreed) customs formalities on trade across the Channel so they can use their expertise to establish a hard border (north to south) in Ireland.

[ichkeria]

“ These trivialities (most of which have no basis in fact) are being used to trash the case for Brexit”

Not really. They are raised as a counter to those who claim they are an achievement of Brexit

[New Judge]

I don't see it that way, Ikky.

Opponents of Brexit seem to latch on to these stories in order to say "Look at all the aggravation Brexit has caused [which it undoubtedly has] and all we've got to show for it are blue passports and crowns on beer glasses."

[ichkeria]

Yes because those are the things, unbelievably, which are touted by people like, dare I say the PM himself, as achievements

Plus the trade deal with Liechtenstein of course :-)
I’m not I hope blind to the idea that the Great Dawn of Freedom may break at some unspecified time in the future, but there seems little doubt that to date it’s been disastrous.
I also except that there sound negative reasons for Brexit.
If you decided 30 years ago for example that Maastricht was a long term strategic wrong path then fair enough.