Facts Unclear

[Sqad]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10491929/British-man-arrested-woman-claims-raped-United-Airlines-flight-London.html

I don't know the full facts but the only explanation that I can come up with was that she was so drunk that she didn't realise that she had been raped, until she awakened the following morning.

Any other suggestions?

[aelmpvw]

i may be wrong but didn't the alleged rape occur while others slept, not the victim?

[Sqad]

ael....true, but if you were being raped would it bother you if you screamed and woke up the rest of the cabin for help?

What about the cabin staff, couldn't they come to her rescue?

[naomi24]

She didn't yell? The crew are never far away.

[dannyk13]

Seems a bit iffy.Although there were people sleeping surely if she had protested vocally someone would have woken up.The possibility that she was drunk at the time and cried rape after realising what she had done is also likely.

[naomi24]

Cross posted, sqad.

[andy-hughes]

People react in different ways to being violently assaulted.

The lady may have been too terrified to make any noise, she may have been threatened if she did so.

As the OP says, facts are unclear, but the police, who obviously know more than us, are willing to move forward with an investigation.

[andy-hughes]

danny - // Seems a bit iffy.Although there were people sleeping surely if she had protested vocally someone would have woken up.The possibility that she was drunk at the time and cried rape after realising what she had done is also likely. //

Please see my post at 11.26.

But don't allow that to prevent you from a little light knee-jerk victim-blaming will you.

[naomi24]

//The lady may have been too terrified to make any noise, she may have been threatened if she did so. //

Or alternatively, having had a few drinks, she may have thought it a good idea at the time and subsequently, in the clear light of day, changed her mind.

[naomi24]

//But don't allow that to prevent you from a little light knee-jerk victim-blaming will you. //

Was it really necessary to say that to danny, AH? That's exactly the sort of thing that causes arguments here.

[Sqad]

A-H

I don't think danny was "victim blaming."

[aelmpvw]

there was no 'knee-jerk victim-blaming' in danny's post, he just suggested the possibility

[dannyk13]

AH //But don't allow that to prevent you from a little light knee-jerk victim-blaming will you.//
Where did I say that anyone was to blame?, I just suggested a scenario that has played out many times in alleged rape cases.If you are spoiling for an argument you are going to be disappointed.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // //But don't allow that to prevent you from a little light knee-jerk victim-blaming will you. //

Was it really necessary to say that to danny, AH? That's exactly the sort of thing that causes arguments here. //

Clearly I thought so, or i would not have posted it.

I am sure danny is capable of responding to me directly if he wishes to do so.

As far as I am aware, the site is not looking for an uninvited adjudicator for its posts, but if I hear they are looking, I'll be sure to mention your name.

[Milo2]

As the investigation has not yet been concluded, we don’t actually know whether she is a victim or not.

[andy-hughes]

Sqad - // A-H

I don't think danny was "victim blaming." //

Then we can agree to differ.

[dannyk13]

AH, see my post at 11.35.

[andy-hughes]

danny - // AH //But don't allow that to prevent you from a little light knee-jerk victim-blaming will you.//
Where did I say that anyone was to blame?, I just suggested a scenario that has played out many times in alleged rape cases.If you are spoiling for an argument you are going to be disappointed. //

Based on no evidence whatsoever, you want to assume that the woman is at fault, and no mention of the man who is being investigated by the police.

No wonder rape prosecutions are so pitifully low - it's because people love to jump t co conclusions that the woman probably agreed and then decided she'd changed her mind.

If the lady in question is able to afford seats at these prices, it's likely she is perfectly aware of the sort of reaction that you and others have offered on here - but she is still pursuing the request for investigation.

But she has the uphill struggle of being judged by strangers, so I doubt she is entering into this as someone who 'changed her mind'.

[roadman]

what you on about it says she reported the incident to cabin crew and they called ahead for police what u on about she didnt realise?

[davebro]

I think the interpretation of Danny's original post hinges on the word "likely" suggesting that is probably what occurred rather than just a possibility.

[roadman]

so glad that andy-hughes said this the lady may have been too terrified to make any noise, she may have been threatened if she did so

to imply the lady is at fault for not making enough noise at the time is really *** bad