As Sad As This Case Is ,I Agree With The Decision Not To Move Archie

[Bobbisox1]

https://news.sky.com/story/archie-battersbee-cannot-be-moved-to-hospice-to-die-high-court-rules-12665859

What could happen if when moving him he died instantly?

Would his parents Sue the hospital?

[bhg481]

If his organs are beyond harvesting, doesn't that mean there is absolutely no point in keeping him alive any longer, despite his mother's belief that he could recover?

[Samuraisan]

Does anyone know what TikTok challenge he did to kill himself ?

[237SJ]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/archie-battersbee-would-die-weeks-24654192 Maybe as his heart hasn't been exercised it would be weak like a little used muscle but I don't know enough about it.

[pastafreak]

Samuraisan...its an online challenge where participants hold their breath until they pass out.
There have already been other deaths.
Just the thought of trying that horrifies me.

[Samuraisan]

OMG pasta, sounds such a stupid thing to do. I will warn my daughter to watch my GC.

[schippiegalette]

They do not hold their breath until they pass out, that is impossible. He was found with a ligature around his neck.......................

[MissTerious]

I honestly believe in cases like this the thing that's best for Archie should be in their minds and not what's best for them. I understand their distress, but Archie deserves dignity at the end of his life and they have taken that dignity away by causing so much media interest. In their position I would just want this to be a peaceful and private time. Surely they realise that even if Archie were to improve he would not have a good life.

[Peter Pedant]

// I told you who it was on the other thread, Sqad.//

it is a universally recognised truth that no one on AB has a need to read any other post before replying ( thx to Jane Austen)

[Peter Pedant]

// They do not hold their breath until they pass out, that is impossible.//
erm not quite - you get them I think to overbreathe for a minute or two and then do a forced valsalva manouvre ( try to exhale against a closed glottis whilst someone breahugs you)
yes do not try this at home
AND it requires two people - archie was involved in a ligature = hangedhimself. You can do this and archie did !

[jno]

a Tory MP died the same way about 30 years ago, though in his case it was for the purposes of autoerotic asphyxiation (which I don't begin to understand).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Milligan

[237SJ]

PP - I remember the kids at school going through a phase of trying that (1970s) You held your breath and then you were grabbed around the waist until you passed out. Thankfully, I never tried it and when the teachers found out what was happening in the lunch break it was stopped forthwith.

[Peter Pedant]

corneas perhaps
I think he has been on inotropes ( and the rest) too long
and so is excluded by the normal criteria

Parents would obvioously say no as they dont believe he is dead

[ladybirder]

Pasta it says in this Independent link that he had a ligature around his neck.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/archie-battersbee-high-court-peter-jackson-royal-london-hospital-justice-b2138936.html

[Peter Pedant]

// a Tory MP died the same way about 30 years ago//

and then some wag ( and London bubble fella) turned up to an xmas fancy dress as him in a waste bin bag and an orange drenched in nitrites in his mouf!

went down ( haw haw haw) as well as harry as a Nazi

[237SJ]

@20:18 Pretty poor taste to connect Archie with what happened with Stephen Milligan IMO

[Barmaid]

I think that were he be allowed to be moved and the proper risk assessments done and protocols followed, the chances of a successful action would be low. Wouldn't stop them suing (anyone can sue anyone for anything, but how successful that case is a different matter).

I find it hard to judge the parents. Hurt people hurt. I also understand that the parents are being supported by a Christian Legal Centre who have provided funding to the family (the NHS trust will pay it's own costs and the costs of the Official Solicitor - if instructed to represent Archie - will be from public funds). Clearly, none of us know what has been said between the parents and the organisation.

I think it is laudable that an organisation has provided such extensive financial support to those in crisis and as long as such support has not been used to push its own agenda long may this type of support continue. Third party funding always raises questions - as it should.

[sandyRoe]

I guess the parents are trying to be in control. But this now is a situation that's beyond any human control. They should let him go quietly where he is, in hospital.
Very sad.

[bednobs]

although i understand how distasteful this sounds, keeping a child alive in ICU probably costs iro £2k a day, probably meaning at least £1/4m has been spent on his care already.
I'm not really in a position to judge what the NHS spends it's money on (i am a net taker, on v expensive drugs AND the NHS paid for the funerals of 3 of my children plus provided 10 weeks n NICU to my daughter, 2 days to my son and 5 days to my other daughter)

[pastafreak]

Sorry to yhose who are correcting me. My quick Google only mentioned holding breath. I chose not look into it deeper.