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nicebloke1 | 20:22 Sat 04th Mar 2023 | Body & Soul
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Day after day you hear of people having mental health problems / condition. Who decides this? because its not a great lable to carry round with you if the diagnosis is wrong. How many have had the condition confirmed by a doctor?
It just appears to me that the condition is thrown about willy nilly when the slightest problem or pressure of daily life gets a little difficult.
I ask the question because I've just been watching a mum on the news who lost her daughter to suicide, and very sad indeed. Her daughter was at universtity, ( in her 2nd year i think) but no MH confirmed, but she claims that many students suffer MH Issues? Again whos decided that? So my question is really after my rant. Is the term mental health being over used without a proper diagnosis, or,its just a case that, in this case, cant cope with the work required at Uni?


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Prudie at 21.20 has hit on something I think. Only a small percentage of children went to grammar schools; of those only about 20/30% went to university and they were very academic children. (I accept that other ways to Uni. existed/exist, by the way). Grants were paid because the numbers were not large and they paid back disproportionately into society in various ways (or so I was led to believe and I think it's probably true).
Now it is totally different, far too many pupils go to uni.and many are not cut out for it; there are also fees to repay. It's easy to see the pressures.
It would be a lot better to return to the highly selective system for unis. and push alternative methods of Higher Education for the more pragmatically inclined.

Like Prudie I taught (started in 1972 ended in 2001) and until the 1990s-ish there were no autistics, ADHD sufferers etc. - although we did know about dyslexia.
I ran into an ex-pupil once, he'd given everyone Hell (supposedly ADHD) and he apologised to me and said he'd just been a pratt.
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) provides rates of estimated suicides between the academic years ending 2017 and 2020 compared to those in the general population in that same period.

If you look at Figure 6 in the link below, it shows the rates for students and the general public in four age-groups.

In each group, the rate for students is lower than that in the general population.
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Agree with you jourdain. If your not cut out for it, move on to what you are cut out for. Some people learn faster than others, some dont learn as much, no matter how long they study for.
Why do the parents always look for a get out,what about their duty of care?
I have always believed gthat eighteen / nineteen is far too young to go to university, the minimum age should be twenty-five.

Teenagers are not equipped for the twin pressures of moving away from family support into a pressure cooker of similarly pressured adolescents, added to academic pressure of studying St degree level.

It's a wonder the drop-out and suicide rates, to say nothing of the unrecorded negativity surrounding the university experience, is not actually far higher.
As I alluded to earlier, I think things must have changed. I have always thought of my 3 years as a student the most fun filled, carefree and enlightening time of my life. I spent most of the time socialising, acting like a grown up with none of the pressures of being a real life grown up. I think a lot of my peers would say the same.
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Reading some posts, it may raise another question. Have many been awarded inflated grades? If so they are going to find it a struggle to keep up with others that have true merits.
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Fripfrip 22.06. I dont think the parent who lost her daughter by suicide was looking for any sort of get out, just trying to find a reason why. She came to the conclusion of a Mental health issue. Hence my question why is it always put down to this, without no previous illness of such. At that age it could have well been something simple, like a parting from a boy friend??
The late, great Spike Milligan was repeatedly hospitalised on mental wards because of his bi-polar (or manic depression as it was then termed).
I have had two cousins (both male) who committed suicide. One hanged himself in 1973, after a few failed attempts, the other drowned himself in the 90s. IMHO, anyone who takes their own life, and has not been diagnosed with a fatal illness, must be suffering some sort of mental turmoil. Surely?
And, like Gary Speed, some are very successful at hiding their condition from their nearest and dearest.
Can't agree with you, Andy. I believe too many young people are treated like children and not the adults they are.
My generation coped with leaving school and going in to full time work at 15, helping support the family. Many of us continued education or vocational training at evening class, after work.
Those that continued in full time education were treated like adults and expected to behave like adults.
I think society is doing young adults a disservice extending childhood into their 20s.
It's become fashionable and is a badge of honour to boast about having mental health problems.
'Mental health' has expanded over time to include anything that anybody wants it to.

See also 'autism' and 'the spectrum'.

I think that it's all to do with language evolving. In the NHS in the 90s it was decided that we should no longer use the term Psychiatric . Instead we should say Mental Health hospitals. We no longer had 'patients'. Instead we had 'clients'. They were to be known as mentally impaired. Notes had to be done every time we treated them.
A lot of the Special schools for children were closed and the children sent off to mainstream schools . It has been mentioned by those abers who were teachers that although they were familiar with the term dyslexia I don't think they were prepared for autistic, disruptive, incontinence ,ADHD to mention just a few of the problems. These children were said to have Special Needs. That's when a lot of problems began in schools.
No-one was to be called disabled instead they were 'physically or mentally impaired'.
Some University students ,leaving home for the first time probably feel lonely and isolated. Universities should have access to doctors and if necessary psychiatrists. The young woman in question made about a dozen pleas for help but sadly no-one did.
Without a proper diagnosis we should not say that anyone has mental health problems.

//I have always believed that eighteen / nineteen is far too young to go to university, the minimum age should be twenty-five.//

I was 16 - talk about a steep learning curve!

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