operation refusals

[informashun]

i refer to the latest nhs move , apparently by the ghastly p hewitt ,that is at the discretion of doctors etc. not to operate on obesse peopie or smokers.
i know many who just cannot stop smoking and i feel sorry for them and there are many elderly who have sat around for years waiting for surgery and naturally have put on weight, these are personal views.
however if people cannot receive treatment for the afforsaid reasons then this must be disscimination on a grand scale.
i appreciate there will be the odd cases where restraint is needed but not in general.

[joko]

it comes from food and rest... i don't see why you can't see that - people with illnesses eat and move the same as anyone else.

with some illnesses they may not, as they may be too weak to move around a lot, but with pcos, energy levels can suffer, but not so much as you are housebound or anything

[soxcox1]

As it seems to be NHS bashing time again I'd like to put forward the opinion of one lowly NHS worker

I have patients that I deal with who have already had bits of their feet amputated through smoking in combination with underlying disease. But they still smoke, they take up beds - when they are not outside having a fag - and despite the best efforts to help them stop prefer to carry on and let us pick up the pieces.

Now before anyone gets hysterical about 'mass generalisation' - stop and really think about this - the two biggest killers these days are cancers and cardiovascular disease - which sometimes can't be helped but in a huge number of cases can.

So I ask you this - why should someone who is continuing to negatively influence their own health be so surprised if the decision is made to spend what are currently very limited resources on people who are doing their best to stay healthy.

There is also the fact that smokers and the obese run much greater risk of complications during surgery and in this day and age of -- lets blame the doctor, the doctor is much less likely to want to risk litigation if he takes the chance and operates.

We are very lucky in this country - we have a free health service - although not for much longer I suspect. And its very easy to expect the NHS to solve all problems.

We can't. We are just about keeping up and its a sad but true fact - if healthcare gets totally privatised - which I actually believe it will - doctors WILL pick and choose who they treat. If you can afford it - you'll get it.

Transplant Drs in America already make patients sign a contract saying they will look after their new organs. Case in point - certain footballer - got a new liver sharpish and promptly pickled that one too.

As for discrimination - maybe it is - but if the doctors aim is to ensure the best possible outcomes he'she has to

[Miss_Naughti]

PCOS can cause some people to put on severe amounts of weight. I was out of the country for a few months, travelling and walking loads, as well as it being very hot and not feeling like eating, because of the PCOS I did eat 3 meals a day, but only very small meals. I still managed to put on nearly 3 stone in a month. I know that my PCOS is very severe, people just don't understand how much it can affect people. People also assume the weight gain is your own fault. Since being diagnoesed, I have cut out so many foods its untrue! but i'm still gaining weight like no tomorrow.
I have tried my hardest to be good and cut out as much bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, dairy, red meat, eggs, root veg as possible, but there is only so much Chicken and lettuce some people can take.
Good luck to all the PCOS sufferers out there!
Miss Naughti