thank you whiffey, as for what lonnie says, it could well be like that, i am of an age that can remember the "Notting hill riots" in the late 1950s, I lived in the middle of it, I am not advocating anarchy, but people will only tolerate so much, the worm can and quite often does turn, i hope never to see again things I saw as a youngster, but fear for the future, I moved from london 27 years ago, because of what it was becoming, some things are fine, the west indians have integrated and are lovely people, lets hope the scales of justice do not swing to much one way, maybe the scales on top of the old bailey were put on to be deliberately tilted one way,