gastric bypass surgery

[Scarlett]

Is it avaliable on the NHS or do you have to pay privately? Is it seen as a necessity or as a privilege?

[Ethel]

Gastric bypass for weight loss is neither necessary or a privilege.

If it works it is because the patient has been eating far too many calories - not any other reason such as thyroid problems.

If anybody can cope with that operation and the awful after effects, surely they can cope with a calorie controlled diet - which is exactly what they will have to do after the operation.

It is available to some patients on the NHS who are in real danger because of extreme obesity.

What a waste of NHS resources.

[Shadow Man]

Total agreement with Ethel.

Whilst I am not a fattist, and admittedly enjoy some flesh on the female frame, the key is simple if you want to lose weight.

Unless there is a major thyroid problem (of which most can be treated) large people are large purely because of lifestyle.

To be large is a personal choice. Yes, there probably is a fat gene as I know people who do no exercise, eat takeaways and are very slim. But all it means is a person who has a tendancy to be fat, just has to try a little harder.

I am not a dietician, and I have no scientific qualifications at all, but I can swear but whatever is mighty that if you follow my regime to the letter, you will be your ideal weight one day. And guess what, I don't make millions from the internet.

If you want my simple steps then I shall write them down for you, but I think you know the answer already, don't you?

All it takes is will power. And trust me, I am 16 stone, so I am no slim jim myself.

And as for gastric bypass surgery. I beg you, do not even consider it private or state paid.

[Goodsoulette]

I agree one hundred percent. With the thousands upon thousands it cost for weight loss surgery surely the money would be better spent on a fat camp and gym membership. With regular exercise and a good balanced diet (Gi is highly recommended, as it has excellent satiety ) there is no reason not to be down to your target weight within a year or 18 months, given you are no more than 10 stone overweight. Far less risk of dying through exercise and dieting.

[Scarlett]

Shadow Man.. what are your simple steps?

[Shadow Man]

Without being patronising.

1) Eat healthy and reduce calories WITHOUT actually counting them. If you want a bag of chips, then have a bag of chips!! Just have them once a week and on that day cut back on something else.

2) Eat regular meals. This will stop you from picking.

3) Eat as much fruit and veg as you want. Assuming there are between 21-28 meals a week. Make, say, at least 5 of these meals just fruit and or veg.

4) Drink at least 5 pints of water a day. This will not only flush your toxins out but fill you up, hydrate you and wash fatty cells from your liver.

5) Exercise. I do not know your level of fitness but all you have to do is work to about 160 percent of your max heart rate NO MORE. If you are unfit 160 percent will not be that tough (I shall explain ahat this means in a following thread)

6) Just be more active. When you are watching TV just fidget about and tap your feet. Even if this burns just an extra 40 cals a day for 10 minutes work this will equate to 4 pounds of fat in one years time!!!

7) On top of exercising, just try and walk more. Park as far from the supermarket in the car park, get off one stop earlier on the tube/bus etc. Not a strenuous hike, just enough to get the blood flowing and limbs moving.

8) NEVER buy pills etc. The only thing I believe works will be spicey healthy food. Chillis and cayenne speed the fat burninb process up.

There are many more obvious ones, but stick to these YOU WILL BE SLIM.

TBC..................

[Shadow Man]

Just think positive.

Seriously what has more incentive. A healthy body, a longer life, doing things you have been too shy or unable to do

OR

a KFC??

You know the answer.


Right exercise and heart rate.

All exercise is good for you (even a ten minute mild walk as I said above)

But, to burn fat you must burn oxygen to get the heat up.Therefore you have do to AEROBIC exercise. This DOES NOT mean you have to do aerobics, as in a horrible class.

Aerobic also means CV (cardio vascular).

Your max heart rate is 220 minus your age. Lets assume you are 30 years old. Your MHR will be 190 beats per minute (bpm)

Unless you are a supreme athelet if you ever reach 190bpm YOU WILL DIE!!!!!!

The heart rates in exercise are divide in to categories.

A healthy resting heart rate is anything below 50 percent of MHR, although lower is better. So anything over 80 bpms see a doctor. Aim for below 70. Lower the better.

For a mere cardio workout (excellent for the heart, but you will not burn fat work anything over your resting heart rate but not over 60 percent.

To burn fat (aerobic CV) you have to work at 114 bpm to about 133bpm (70 percent assuming you are 30 year old).

This is not that tough. You MUST work in that fat burning zone even if you feel you can do more.

If you go above 70 percent of your MHR you are "anaerobic" This basically means "without oxygen". This is not recommended if you are unfit. Your muscles will not be fed any oxygen and build up lactic acid. YOU WILL NOT LOSE ANY FAT AT ALL.

So really less is more with your heart rate. Power lifters and sprinters are anaerobic, whereas long distant runners and walker are aerobic.

The best thing you can ever buy is a heart rate monitor. It is