Halle Berry

[anotheoldgit]

Here we go again racist or not, would I be equally racist to say in my opinion, she looks more like a South Sea islander than a Jew.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=489302 &in_page_id=1773

The other article makes for interesting reading for the fairer sex, and celebrity gossip "Halle Berry reveals her Baby Bump" (is that what they call it these days)? and the comment that she looks stunning.

But scroll down the first link further chaps, now that's what I call stunning, or am I now being sexist?

[4GS]

I saw that earlier, she looks more like Barry Manillow in that photo,
Why would someone take offence at another person saying "I look Jewish in that photo"? Is it shameful to be a Jew then?

[SKA]

You know people are going to go OTT about it now

[ruby27]

AOG
She made the comment, then at her request it was removed because she didn't want to cause offence. To say that a distorted photograph gives you a look like a race, could well be offensive, so she apologised. So,where is the racism, I have looked but I can not find it.

Is it the photos of her or of her fiance that you think men will find stunning? You don't want to avoid the trap of sexism only to fall into being homophobic.

[Gromit]

She said the photo made her look like her Jewish cousin. I don't think she would have said it if she thought it would offend her jewish cousin, so I can't see how anyone else can be offended.

The word 'Jewish' was bleeped when the show was broadcast as if that is a derogitory word. I don't think it was racist.

Admiring someones beauty is not sexist.

[Kromovaracun]

I don't think it's racist. It's certainly inappropriate, but I don't really think her comment falls within the definition of racism at all. But there is a tendency among conservatives and liberals alike to bandy the term around.

AOG - correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to cling on to any race-related story you can find in the news (or non race-related, when you're feeling really zany), and then tack racism onto it thinking it'll undermine the legitimacy of the term when applied to genuinely racist views. Does this not strike you as a tad pointless?

[sp1814]

Halle Berry was rightly pulled up about these offensive remarks.

And let this be a lesson to all those who think that racism is a one way street.

Halle has had to issue an immediate apology for her nasty little remark.

But I notice she didn't have to issue an immediate apology when she, as a driver, was involved in a hit and run accident a year before winning her Oscar for 'Monsters Ball'.

I also note that she didn't issue an apology after making the stunningly bad 'Gothika' or 'Catwoman'.

[China Doll]

She did actually.

Remember her parody speech at some awards ceremony where she thanked whoever it was for putting her in the pile of sh1t (her words, not mine) which was Catwoman.

[Reverandfunk]

Why doesn't someone pull her up on her "acting"

[libertie]

Although still very beautiful I much prefered her with short hair...a much sexier and more individual look imho!

[ruby27]

Are those breasts for real? If so then she is unreasonably lucky to at her age have so much uplift, defying gravity. If the shape is due to implants then she should apologise for caving into the pressure exerted by the evil capitalist patriarchy that continues to enslave women.

[China Doll]

It's usually women that put other women under pressure ruby27.

Matriarcal society.

[ruby27]

CD
what is beautiful is socially constructed, our idea's of beauty are constructed through and by white powerful men, so our culture reflects that. Women are immersed in this culture and inevitably 'buy' in to this and will 'police' women who attempt to try and transgress or challenge the formulation of what is considered feminine beauty.
Sorry but I am right. Bye the way I think there is no evidence that any culture has been matriarchal, matrilineal yes. Need a social anthropologist to put us right.

Or it is biologically determined.

[China Doll]

I love ya rubes but I think you're wrong. I don't really want to hijack AOG's thread to discuss it but obviouslt when you're ready I'll happily meet you at the loggerhead.

In the past you have been right... now I am ;0)

[4GS]

My money's on China
You go girl ;-))

[China Doll]

Rube's is a lot smarter than me with a better memory, careful where you put your money!

[anotheoldgit]

I think we can take it that Halle isn't your favourite person sp1814.

Isn't Barry Manalow Jewish 4GS, you little racist you.

If I was to put a tea towel on my head and stated that I looked like an Arab would that be also racist ruby27?

In other words kromovarracun, I'm dammed if I do and dammed if I don't.

As usual ruby27 strutting about in her tweeds, tie and sensible shoes.

After reading that a theatrical group who wanted to put on the musical "Showboat" had to cancel their idea, because they were not allowed to black up white actors, simply because there was no black actors to take the parts.

And the fact that there is controversy, over a new statue of a former Prime Minister, Lloyd George being unveiled today in front of the Houses of Parliament. With accusations that he was a racist.

We could find reasons for every statue ever erected to be taken down if need be. But then we are back to the days of Henry VIII when he had most religious images and statues.
defaced in his fight against catholcism.

Why have some the right not to be offended, and yet others have laws to protect them, where will it all end?

[ruby27]

AOG

Well, if you put a tea towel on your head you would probably look idiotic - to then claim by looking idiotic you also looked like an Arab wearing a shemagh, yes that would be a racist comment. Happy now?

[andy-hughes]

I think it was an ungaurded remark - the sort that people make every day, but if you are a celebrity on a natioanl TV show, then people pick up on it.

The remark was unfortunate, Halle Berry apologised - end of issue.

Yes she is utterly stunning - possibly the most physically beautiful woman in the world.

[Kromovaracun]

Well, if you put a tea towel on your head you would probably look idiotic - to then claim by looking idiotic you also looked like an Arab wearing a shemagh, yes that would be a racist comment.

Not really. I for instance can't abide turbans and think they look a bit silly. There's absolutely no racial implications in that statement whatsoever - it's just a matter of personal taste (which to be fair is subject to my cultural background), but even despite that it's still just me stating that I don't like turbans much. AOG's example would be very tasteless, but I don't think it could be construed as racist.

AOG:

In other words kromovarracun, I'm dammed if I do and dammed if I don't.

Eh?

My statement: I think you have tendency to push race on pretty much any topic in the news in order to try and take the legitimacy out of calling something racist. Do you not think this illogical?

Your response: Well... y'know! Can't really win, can I?

[Lonnie]

Give the woman a break, I'm Jewish and certainly not offended, lets face it, its a Holy Edict.

And the Lord said unto Moses, all Jews etc etc.

I didn't finish in case I offended some liberal PC person.