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NDE`s (near death experiences)
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Perhaps the most interesting aspect of near death experiences relates to those experienced by young children, many of whom are too young to have any concept of death. Such experiences in children have been studied extensively by Dr Melvin Morse, an American paediatrician. He has looked at many critically ill children admitted to the intensive care unit and found that some of them described NDE`s. There are cases from children as young as 3 or 4 years old who had been critically ill. In fact the youngest case in the medical literature has been reported `as occurring` in a 6-month old baby who recalled the story when he was 4.
A 3 yr old boy had an episode when his heart stopped. In a drawing that he made afterwards he has depicted himself with some string leaving his head and being attached to a balloon. When asked about this he said:
when you die you see a bright lamp.
Makes you think, doesn`t it?
A 3 yr old boy had an episode when his heart stopped. In a drawing that he made afterwards he has depicted himself with some string leaving his head and being attached to a balloon. When asked about this he said:
when you die you see a bright lamp.
Makes you think, doesn`t it?
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Hi Tina,
I've never heard of these studies in young children, but I have read of instances that have been very difficult to explain. It's certainly intriguing.
Believing the soul survives death (as I do - although in no religious sense), then I don't see why this isn't possible. It may well be. Who knows? We still have much to learn.
I've never heard of these studies in young children, but I have read of instances that have been very difficult to explain. It's certainly intriguing.
Believing the soul survives death (as I do - although in no religious sense), then I don't see why this isn't possible. It may well be. Who knows? We still have much to learn.
young children often are more in tune with life/death experiences, they have no preconceptions, I was once in a department store when a child of no more than three years of age described to his mother an invisible woman standing next to me in extraordinary detail, it was my grandmother right down to a butterfly hairclip.
Octavius: NDE`s have also been described from many areas of the world including India, China, Middle East and South America. In some cases it hasbeen found that although some features may be different, the core features are similar.
e.g. a Christian and Hindu may both have a NDE in which they feel at peace, see a tunnel and a light. However, if they see a being of light the Christian may recognize that figure as one specifically related to Christianity wheras a Hindu may see a figure related to Hinduism.
Horizon Research Foundation was set up in 1987 and those involved are forerunners in the field: Peter Fenwick, David Lorimer and Sam Parnia.
Naomi: it`s like any other field, isn`t it, we`ve never heard of it until we hear about it for the first time!
For my part, having investigated the so-called paranormal for nearly 30 years, I`ve seen and heard too much to put it all down to imagination. (a young girl, just before she died in hospital, suddenly sat up, smiled and spoke to her best friend, who wasn`t there in the flesh. Her family found out a few hours later that her friend had just been killed in a car accident a few moments before her friend in the hospital)
But I do not try to convince anyone of anything. I know that`s impossible. Only self-experience can do that. As you might know EVP, the taped phenomena is my speciality and to many people around the world nothing is more evidential, and repeatable, than capturing voices of dead people on recording tape.
If it makes you think, go and investigate it.
Hi Keyplus.
e.g. a Christian and Hindu may both have a NDE in which they feel at peace, see a tunnel and a light. However, if they see a being of light the Christian may recognize that figure as one specifically related to Christianity wheras a Hindu may see a figure related to Hinduism.
Horizon Research Foundation was set up in 1987 and those involved are forerunners in the field: Peter Fenwick, David Lorimer and Sam Parnia.
Naomi: it`s like any other field, isn`t it, we`ve never heard of it until we hear about it for the first time!
For my part, having investigated the so-called paranormal for nearly 30 years, I`ve seen and heard too much to put it all down to imagination. (a young girl, just before she died in hospital, suddenly sat up, smiled and spoke to her best friend, who wasn`t there in the flesh. Her family found out a few hours later that her friend had just been killed in a car accident a few moments before her friend in the hospital)
But I do not try to convince anyone of anything. I know that`s impossible. Only self-experience can do that. As you might know EVP, the taped phenomena is my speciality and to many people around the world nothing is more evidential, and repeatable, than capturing voices of dead people on recording tape.
If it makes you think, go and investigate it.
Hi Keyplus.
Hi Tina,
A recently deceased friend of mine ,who was an amateur astronomer and psychic researcher, did a lot of his own research on EVPs and it fascinated me. He made a rudimentary superheterodyne radio receiver tuned to 20 Megahertz and claimed to hear the voices of deceased people. Is this phenomenon real or imagined? Does the brain get bored with the white noise, whine and chirps from the receiver and implant voices in the auditory centre of the brain?
Whizzing along the motorway on my motorbike produces a high level of white noise in my crash helmet. All sound frequencies are present and it is possible to "hear" your favourite music and songs. Is this analogous to radio-induced EVP?
A recently deceased friend of mine ,who was an amateur astronomer and psychic researcher, did a lot of his own research on EVPs and it fascinated me. He made a rudimentary superheterodyne radio receiver tuned to 20 Megahertz and claimed to hear the voices of deceased people. Is this phenomenon real or imagined? Does the brain get bored with the white noise, whine and chirps from the receiver and implant voices in the auditory centre of the brain?
Whizzing along the motorway on my motorbike produces a high level of white noise in my crash helmet. All sound frequencies are present and it is possible to "hear" your favourite music and songs. Is this analogous to radio-induced EVP?
Morning, Teddio:
The fact that you have to ask if it`s `real` (you either mean are the voices there or are they really coming from deceased entities) means that you haven`t experimented for yourself. The answer is Yes in both cases.
The appearance of disembodied voices is no longer an issue. Most scientists will agree with that. The only discussion is from where do they come.
I`ll have to get back with you on this a little later on today. Don`t go away!
Tina
The fact that you have to ask if it`s `real` (you either mean are the voices there or are they really coming from deceased entities) means that you haven`t experimented for yourself. The answer is Yes in both cases.
The appearance of disembodied voices is no longer an issue. Most scientists will agree with that. The only discussion is from where do they come.
I`ll have to get back with you on this a little later on today. Don`t go away!
Tina
Hello Naomi:
Well, to start with something that not many people know, Spiritualism has been a recognized religion in Britain by an Act of Parliament in the early 50`s. Its basic tenet is that communication can happen between deceased people and the living. So, because I`ve received much evidence towards this fact, I`m quite happy to call myself a Spiritualist.
However, because of the murky beginnings of the Spiritualist movement, and the many charlatans that invade it, and the many people who frequent the Spiritualist churches and accept blindly what the minister (or medium) tells them without acknowledging that the `evidential` messages given to them could be explained by telepathy (which does exist), Spiritualist has a bad name, and even the word can be very off-putting.
I use the word God a lot and that means that I believe in a Supreme Intelligence, who could have even been the cause of this planet being seeded from some otherwordly existence.
There are so many intriguing aspects of life: there are some very strong cases for reincarnation and human survival, Carl Edon for the first and The Chaffin will affair, just to name a couple.
I am still interested in all these things but, slowly, with time, as one ages, interest diminishes and is replaced with what some people call Practising Death. (Basically metaphysical study, analyzing both ancient and modern revelation, through meditation and pondering.)
Well, to start with something that not many people know, Spiritualism has been a recognized religion in Britain by an Act of Parliament in the early 50`s. Its basic tenet is that communication can happen between deceased people and the living. So, because I`ve received much evidence towards this fact, I`m quite happy to call myself a Spiritualist.
However, because of the murky beginnings of the Spiritualist movement, and the many charlatans that invade it, and the many people who frequent the Spiritualist churches and accept blindly what the minister (or medium) tells them without acknowledging that the `evidential` messages given to them could be explained by telepathy (which does exist), Spiritualist has a bad name, and even the word can be very off-putting.
I use the word God a lot and that means that I believe in a Supreme Intelligence, who could have even been the cause of this planet being seeded from some otherwordly existence.
There are so many intriguing aspects of life: there are some very strong cases for reincarnation and human survival, Carl Edon for the first and The Chaffin will affair, just to name a couple.
I am still interested in all these things but, slowly, with time, as one ages, interest diminishes and is replaced with what some people call Practising Death. (Basically metaphysical study, analyzing both ancient and modern revelation, through meditation and pondering.)
You can almost equate this site with death....few of us know each other but build up parameters of one another by our replies.
Regulars become known by their past replies and slot into our 'brain-files' according to headings we have set-up.
When we 're-incarnate' ourselves as greenies we lose the previous ID and can be forgotten (general idea) or investigated by Abers to slot back into known 'brain-file'. By the fact that u know me as a 'pest' I live!
Regulars become known by their past replies and slot into our 'brain-files' according to headings we have set-up.
When we 're-incarnate' ourselves as greenies we lose the previous ID and can be forgotten (general idea) or investigated by Abers to slot back into known 'brain-file'. By the fact that u know me as a 'pest' I live!
Tina, I think I told you before that my friend is a spiritualist, and I have discussed the religion (amongst other things) with her many times. What I was really getting at was your personal belief, or otherwise, in God, Christ, and the bible - and what form that takes. It's clear that you don't follow the bible absolutely, since you wouldn't be investigating the spiritual world if you did, but, for example, do you believe Jesus was the son of God and born of a virgin, and do you believe the the God represented in the bible is the Almighty?
I think you're right about the word 'Spiritualism'. It, and some of the other terminology used by Spiritualists is off-putting because to many it conjures up visions of Victorian fake seances and the like. (Sorry, 'conjuring up visions' wasn't meant to be a pun. I just couldn't think of another way to phrase it).
If she thinks there's an article I'd be especially interested in, my friend sometimes sends me copies of Psychic News, but having read some of the adverts and articles it carries, I feel it's hardly surprising that people are sceptical. It's my personal opinion, but I don't think it does Spiritualism any favours at all, but that's probably because I see the whole thing as having no connection whatsoever to religion.
I think you're right about the word 'Spiritualism'. It, and some of the other terminology used by Spiritualists is off-putting because to many it conjures up visions of Victorian fake seances and the like. (Sorry, 'conjuring up visions' wasn't meant to be a pun. I just couldn't think of another way to phrase it).
If she thinks there's an article I'd be especially interested in, my friend sometimes sends me copies of Psychic News, but having read some of the adverts and articles it carries, I feel it's hardly surprising that people are sceptical. It's my personal opinion, but I don't think it does Spiritualism any favours at all, but that's probably because I see the whole thing as having no connection whatsoever to religion.
This is an article by an anaethestist:
Stories of darkness, tunnels, and bright light told by those who report near-death experiences actually have a basis in the structure and functioning of the eyes, the brain, and other sense organs that operate during these experiences.
http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-05/near-death-ex perience.html
so yes you would expect young children to experience this.
Stories of darkness, tunnels, and bright light told by those who report near-death experiences actually have a basis in the structure and functioning of the eyes, the brain, and other sense organs that operate during these experiences.
http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-05/near-death-ex perience.html
so yes you would expect young children to experience this.
Susan Blackmore is also worth reading. She actually had an out of body experience.
http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/si91nde.html
http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/si91nde.html
Hi, I`m posting this in pieces as the one I tried to post earlier couldn`t be sent and got lost.
Naomi: No, I don`t believe that Jesus was anything other than a good man, not from a virgin birth and not God`s only son. If I did then I`d call myself a Christian. But many of the events surrounding Jesus can be put in the category of Spiritualism. It seems to me that the Bible`s God has many personalities, either that or there is more than one God in the book.
Naomi: I was just sent a video in 3 parts of a Dr Tom Horn discussing the Bible and the giants who genetically engineered the human race and are trying to do it again. If you`re interested:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dcP3TOXIR14
Naomi: No, I don`t believe that Jesus was anything other than a good man, not from a virgin birth and not God`s only son. If I did then I`d call myself a Christian. But many of the events surrounding Jesus can be put in the category of Spiritualism. It seems to me that the Bible`s God has many personalities, either that or there is more than one God in the book.
Naomi: I was just sent a video in 3 parts of a Dr Tom Horn discussing the Bible and the giants who genetically engineered the human race and are trying to do it again. If you`re interested:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dcP3TOXIR14
Teddio: replied to you earlier but couldn`t send it.
Did you listen to the EVP captured by your friend? Was he asking questions and were they answered or was he just picking up the odd word of two? If you were so fascinated by the voices why did you not try for yourself?
could be:
a. thought you were not `psychic` enough
b. thought if you got entangled it might detract from your pace of life
c. perhaps you didn`t want to face up to the question of death and afterlife
d. didn`t want to be `taken in`
Well, all beginners to EVP have started out experimenting with noise generators and different frequencies. If you want to see at what stage I am you can Google Tina EVP.
Suppose I were to get your friend`s name, someone of whom I know nothing, on my tape, what would you say to that? I have on more than one occasion contacted someone I`ve never heard of because I`ve been given details about them such as name, address and family names. My brain getting bored? I cannot believe that.
I have heard my dead husband`s voice on tape, speaking as he did when he was alive. My brain getting bored? I find it impossible to believe. And, even if it were the case then surely this is a miracle worthy of exploration?
By the way, the film WHITE NOISE was a travesty
Did you listen to the EVP captured by your friend? Was he asking questions and were they answered or was he just picking up the odd word of two? If you were so fascinated by the voices why did you not try for yourself?
could be:
a. thought you were not `psychic` enough
b. thought if you got entangled it might detract from your pace of life
c. perhaps you didn`t want to face up to the question of death and afterlife
d. didn`t want to be `taken in`
Well, all beginners to EVP have started out experimenting with noise generators and different frequencies. If you want to see at what stage I am you can Google Tina EVP.
Suppose I were to get your friend`s name, someone of whom I know nothing, on my tape, what would you say to that? I have on more than one occasion contacted someone I`ve never heard of because I`ve been given details about them such as name, address and family names. My brain getting bored? I cannot believe that.
I have heard my dead husband`s voice on tape, speaking as he did when he was alive. My brain getting bored? I find it impossible to believe. And, even if it were the case then surely this is a miracle worthy of exploration?
By the way, the film WHITE NOISE was a travesty
Jake and Waldo:
Well, of course, CSICOP, Susan Blackmore and Richard Wiseman make their living by being professional debunkers of all things paranormal. The last two have sustained a negative attack on any evidence for the afterlife and both are on record for cheating, lying and negatively manipulating to negatively influence results of experiments. I`ve had dealings with both of thm.
Well, of course, CSICOP, Susan Blackmore and Richard Wiseman make their living by being professional debunkers of all things paranormal. The last two have sustained a negative attack on any evidence for the afterlife and both are on record for cheating, lying and negatively manipulating to negatively influence results of experiments. I`ve had dealings with both of thm.
MsEVP,
I too have had personal contact with Wiseman with regards to a spirit who shares our home, he is a professional debunker with a mind less than a hundredth of a millimetre wide, his contempories, all learned professors regard him as a joke, but he has found his 'scepticism' which I believe is false, a nice little earner, gets him column inches in the papers. I have proof about our resident spirit concluded by far more qualified investigators than Wiseman.
I too have had personal contact with Wiseman with regards to a spirit who shares our home, he is a professional debunker with a mind less than a hundredth of a millimetre wide, his contempories, all learned professors regard him as a joke, but he has found his 'scepticism' which I believe is false, a nice little earner, gets him column inches in the papers. I have proof about our resident spirit concluded by far more qualified investigators than Wiseman.
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