What a Patriot?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211036/SNP-capitalise-patriotic-pride-launching-plans-Scottish-independence-referendum-St-Andrews-Day.html

I listened to Alex Salmond's speech on Scottish Independance. It was full of his love for Scotland and a wish for full independence from the UK..

Why can we not have politicians that are equally patriotic regarding England? Who knows perhaps we could also have a say regarding full independance from Scotland, and perhaps even Wales and Northern Ireland also.

What would be the full implication of this, if any? Enough countries have declared their independence from England, surely it is now our turn.

Scotland is alllowed to have a Scottish National Party, why can't we also have an English National Party without it being classed as far right, racist, Nazi?

All we want is a party that considers the English people above all else, and an English Parliament that votes on matters applicable to England, without the interference from MPs who represent other countries of the UK, can that be asking for much?

[R1Geezer]

It's all irrelevant anyway, independence? my ar5e? we are run by the kin EU FFS, it's like having control of the fore deck on the bleedng Titanic!

[Gromit]

Make the House of Commons, the English parliament.

Scrap the House of Lords tomorrow.

Create in its place, an elected House of the United Kingdom in its place to oversee the stuff that cannot be devolved to WISE like Defence and foreign policy,

English (and UK) Nationalist parties tend to be right wing by definition. There is nothing to stop the emergence of at non-rightwing nationalist party except no would would vote for them.

[jno]

why would England want to be independent of Northern Ireland? They have spent generaqtions fighting a bitter civil war trying to hang on to it - reluctant as ever to accept that the empire no longer exists apart from exciting places like the Cayman Islands.

[Gromit]

jno

That was the British - we are talking about the English.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit
English (and UK) Nationalist parties tend to be right wing by definition. There is nothing to stop the emergence of at non-rightwing nationalist party except no would would vote for them.

That is interesting, why do English (and UK) Nationalist parties tend to be right wing by definition, should we all not be patriotic to our country without having a label of guilt attached to us? Is not the Conservative party defined a Right Wing party?

Why should a party be non-Right Wing, before it becomes acceptable?

Would this party be acceptable? Please read it's manifesto before you make a comment

http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14&Itemid=28 />
Manifesto:

http://212.78.80.14/~admin85/pdf/Manifesto%20and%20Constitution.pdf

I don't think any English person (no matter what colour their skin) could find fault, but there are always the exceptions of course.

I wait in anticipation.

[jno]

the English started empire-building before the British, and it it still lies deep within their racial memory. In fact I'm pretty sure Ireland was the first colony (and the American settlements after that), well before union with Scotland. How the Welsh felt about being dragged into it I don't know.

[jno]

I see that party lists 'Guiding Principals' in the first section of its manifesto.

How curious that English Democrats cannot use the English language.

[flip_flop]

This chap is an English Democrat.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209841/ROBERT-HARDMAN-The-PC-supermayor-slashed-public-spending-axed-pointless-jobs-banned-word-diversity.html

If they're all like him, it doesn't sound too bad!

[Gromit]

flip_flop

Being 'un-PC' is just an excuse for being rude and ignorant. That man is a prime example.

AOG. I can see a lot I agree with but certainly some things I don't (withdrawing from conventions on asylum for one). They are a single cause party so they will never get anywhere.

[flip_flop]

I don't think wheedling out waste from local government is "un-pc". I think it is extremely sensible.

[Quinlad]

And just listen to how well he comes over on radio. What a guy.

http://andys.org.uk/media/peter_davies_toby_foster_bbc_radio_sheffield_08_06_2009.mp3

[Quinlad]

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I've never fully understood the preoccupation with nationality. It's not quite the same as just being proud of where you're from is it?

It sometimes seems to boil down to an obsession with almost arbitrary geographic boundaries. I'm not being contrary. I just don't quite think I get it.

[Kromovaracun]

AOG, I'd like to ask you a question regarding your support for the English Democrats, given this part of their constitution:

1.4.1 We support moves to maximise individual liberty and reduce state involvement in people's lives

Given that you've voiced support behind banning hoods and burkhas, and also if I remember right implicitly suggested some kind of ban on paddling pools (I can't remember the details of this and can't find the question, though) - how do you feel about this measure?

I'm not trying to be leading in the above question - I'm genuinely curious. It's perfectly legitimate to support a party and disagree with some of their idea - I'd just like to know how you feel about that.

[jake-the-peg]

Free University places, abolition of prescription charges. Doesn't sound very right wing to me!

I've read the links - I'm still laughing!

Motherhood and apple pie - no numbers, wishful thinking on future technology

Pull out of Europe retreat into ourselves - then wonder why the wider world comes and P1$$es on us.

In Europe we are strong - out of it we are weak

Simple fact no amount of rose coloured spectacles change that.

The EDs policies are for the world that they wish existed not for the one that does - Much like certain people I can think of

[JockSporran]

As a Scot and a supporter of Scottish independence, I think it only right that England, too, should seek independence. Here in Scotland we have our own parliament and a National Party. Surely England should have its own parliament too, and a National Party if they want one. Also, it seems OK for a Scot like me to be proud of being Scottish (and I am) but for some reason it's not OK to be proud to be English. Why not? The English have a lot to be proud of. The English have as much right as any other nation to celebrate their national identity and to seek their national interests.