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BNP - could they get more votes by simply rewording their manifesto...?
just been reading it, and i have to say in the main it all sounds pretty good...most of their policies make sense...even some of those regarding immigration etc
then you come to the...dodgy ones
my point is whoever wrote this obviously isnt too bright when it comes to wording things cleverly... because it seems they just blurt things out, rather than considerin the ramifications of their words...they come across often as the pub bore ignorantly mouthing off and generally talking crap, and given the nature of the comments they seem to have given no consideration to 'softening the blow'
seems to me that with a bit of clever wording, many of their policies would not get such a hostile reaction
if they had perhaps hired someone with 'a way with words' to soften and almost hide their sentiments...could they even have stood a genuine chance of winning?
what go you think?
just to say, i in no way support the BNP - i am pretty 'left' in my thinking...i am just asking this question in a purely curious way, and because words have power, i am surprised that they have worded the document this way and appear to have given little thought to how they could have created a linguistic 'smokescreen' and got more votes.
( i havent looked at the other parties yet and i have no doubt that some of them do the smae)
this is not a BNP bashing post, so please no rants etc - just stick to the question please
i also will not respond to anyone who doesnt read the post properlty and decides to have a go at me or accuse me of somehting...this is purely and totally a question about usage of clever wording and its power...
thanks
http://www.general-el...NP-Manifesto-2010.pdf
then you come to the...dodgy ones
my point is whoever wrote this obviously isnt too bright when it comes to wording things cleverly... because it seems they just blurt things out, rather than considerin the ramifications of their words...they come across often as the pub bore ignorantly mouthing off and generally talking crap, and given the nature of the comments they seem to have given no consideration to 'softening the blow'
seems to me that with a bit of clever wording, many of their policies would not get such a hostile reaction
if they had perhaps hired someone with 'a way with words' to soften and almost hide their sentiments...could they even have stood a genuine chance of winning?
what go you think?
just to say, i in no way support the BNP - i am pretty 'left' in my thinking...i am just asking this question in a purely curious way, and because words have power, i am surprised that they have worded the document this way and appear to have given little thought to how they could have created a linguistic 'smokescreen' and got more votes.
( i havent looked at the other parties yet and i have no doubt that some of them do the smae)
this is not a BNP bashing post, so please no rants etc - just stick to the question please
i also will not respond to anyone who doesnt read the post properlty and decides to have a go at me or accuse me of somehting...this is purely and totally a question about usage of clever wording and its power...
thanks
http://www.general-el...NP-Manifesto-2010.pdf
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most politicians fudge their policies a bit (not least because they can't always be sure how much they'll cost), so yes, the BNP could do that. But as they build their appeal on straight talking, on saying what the other parties dare not say, I think as SandyRoe says this would take away their USP - they'd become just another untrustworthy party.
Colonisation of Britain (page 30)
// The BNP believes that the historical record shows that Islam is by its very nature incompatible with modern secular western democracy. //
Could be rewritten:
"The BNP believes that if we forget Turkey, a very long standing and important NATO ally who have been at the forefront of the War on Terror, and have a modern secular democracy, that Islam is incompatible with the UK.
OR
// The BNP is the only party to identify correctly the twin causes of Islamist terrorism in Britain: (a) mass immigration and (b) a biased British foreign policy which serves to incite Muslims living in Britain. //
Could be rewritten
" If you ignore the fact that the majority of immigrants to this country are not muslims, and the taleban are not as bad as the biased foreign Office have made out, then everything is them darkies fault.
// The BNP believes that the historical record shows that Islam is by its very nature incompatible with modern secular western democracy. //
Could be rewritten:
"The BNP believes that if we forget Turkey, a very long standing and important NATO ally who have been at the forefront of the War on Terror, and have a modern secular democracy, that Islam is incompatible with the UK.
OR
// The BNP is the only party to identify correctly the twin causes of Islamist terrorism in Britain: (a) mass immigration and (b) a biased British foreign policy which serves to incite Muslims living in Britain. //
Could be rewritten
" If you ignore the fact that the majority of immigrants to this country are not muslims, and the taleban are not as bad as the biased foreign Office have made out, then everything is them darkies fault.
I think a more polished approach might improve their appeal, but not too much polish as that could put off their core supporters.
The paradox of the BNP is that they are described as extreme right wing and yet they get their most support in strong left wing areas.
Of course the leaflets distributed by all parties is slanted to appeal to the local electorate
and not a true reflection of the parties' manifestos.
The paradox of the BNP is that they are described as extreme right wing and yet they get their most support in strong left wing areas.
Of course the leaflets distributed by all parties is slanted to appeal to the local electorate
and not a true reflection of the parties' manifestos.
mick, try just reading the post properly...as i said this is purely a question about words and spin etc- it is not about the individual politics
jumbuck - like i stated - i knew some idiots wouldnt actually read and comprehend the post...why on earth would i want to post the manifesto? i did so becasue most people ask for links...and besides if i did want to post it, i just would, i dont need an excuse...grow up you fool
TCL, i dont have any particular bits in mind...i didnt read too deeply...just a scan read really, but some of the policies are just basic things and ok, and arent offensive, but in amongst them are very offensive comments, and i just noticed that in general they are quite blunt and just say whay they mean, they make no attempt to hide their true hate...i had expected it to be written in a confusing, almost flowery smokescreen so as to bamboozle the public as to their real agenda, full of hidden meaning etc
i just wondered if others thought that too... and why havent they tried to cover themselves a bit?
i am glad they havent of course as there are many that would fall for the bull and vote for them.
just seems like a 'schoolboy error' by the marketing team, if you get my meaning
jumbuck - like i stated - i knew some idiots wouldnt actually read and comprehend the post...why on earth would i want to post the manifesto? i did so becasue most people ask for links...and besides if i did want to post it, i just would, i dont need an excuse...grow up you fool
TCL, i dont have any particular bits in mind...i didnt read too deeply...just a scan read really, but some of the policies are just basic things and ok, and arent offensive, but in amongst them are very offensive comments, and i just noticed that in general they are quite blunt and just say whay they mean, they make no attempt to hide their true hate...i had expected it to be written in a confusing, almost flowery smokescreen so as to bamboozle the public as to their real agenda, full of hidden meaning etc
i just wondered if others thought that too... and why havent they tried to cover themselves a bit?
i am glad they havent of course as there are many that would fall for the bull and vote for them.
just seems like a 'schoolboy error' by the marketing team, if you get my meaning
I would seriously urge anyone to reconsider if you are tempted to vote BNP - that is, if your motives are genuinely political. Why? Because Mr Griffin was shown up for being the political ignoramus he is on Sky News the other night by probably their two most knowledgeable political commentators, Adam Boulton and Jeff Randall.
Once you get past Griffin's usual rhetoric and bluster, it's blatantly obvious that the guy knows no more about the really important issues which matter, than any other layman. He really was quite clueless, for example, about the economy. Would you really want him and his cronies running our country?
Once you get past Griffin's usual rhetoric and bluster, it's blatantly obvious that the guy knows no more about the really important issues which matter, than any other layman. He really was quite clueless, for example, about the economy. Would you really want him and his cronies running our country?
Joko as an ex member of the bnp i dont consider myself to be extreme or stupid.\i agree some of the manifesto is radical but mainstream partie s also have there wacky ideas if more moderate people joined the BNP then we could alter the more extreme views they hold while keeping to the core principles of looking after Britain
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