The liberal holy grail gets closer, what planet do these do gooders exist on?

[R1Geezer]

http://news.sky.com/s...ens_Charity_Barnardos
Ok so the've removed any potential control over unruly brats that teachers ever had, next up, exclusion! So now the majority of well behaved school children must endure the disruption by the asbo mob, brilliant!

[China Doll]

I see a lot of kids who's behavour is disruptive to other children in class but I work for child protection and if I was carrying around a fraction of what these children are in my head, I think I'd be pretty damn disruptive too! It depends on the type of disruption, some children can be singled out for being smelly, sexualised behavour, for being 'slow' etc... These can be pretty damning signs for what is actually going on in their lives so no, I don't think they should be excluded from school for this, I think they should be supported.

Being a violent little thug with a chip on your shoulder is one thing, being disruptive because your brain is disrupted by something you can't control is quite another. Most schools are pretty good at spotting the difference.

[jake-the-peg]

Barnados are saying exclusion shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction and is more expensive than trying to fix the problem.

They also acknowledge that //when behaviour is dangerous, removal from school may be the only option//

I'm struggling to understand your outrage.

Seem's you want to expell the fist kid that speaks out of turn

Where does your insight come from exactly? Have you stepped foot in a school in the last 10 years?

[R1Geezer]

No I think expulsion is the last resort but that's all they have left!

[Davethedog]

This is a statement from a charity, it has absoloutley no bearing on government policy what so ever. Its a complete none story let alone worth your outrage.

[jake-the-peg]

Then you agree with Barnados

//Exclusion should be a "last resort", Mr Narey added.//

what planet are *you* on?

[Davethedog]

Literally LOL Steve

[R1Geezer]

well it should be a last "resort" if only there where any other "resorts"

[jno]

just as well they're calling in the army, then

http://www.telegraph....to-teaching-jobs.html

If teachers are teaching badly, it's obvious that using soldiers instead is the only solution. That'll stop disruption in ts tracks.

[rov1200]

Bring back the cane! Teachers have been abused and confidence shattered for too long. Put the fear into these brats to prevent them becoming unruly adults. If they are unwilling to accept the discipline expel them, write them off and put the problem onto their parents.

[Gromit]

Noo Labour rather like excluding children, and the last year we have figures for is 2008/09 when 89,870 pupils were removed, so I do not see how you can blame Liberal thinking.

The new rules discouraging exclusions has been brought by Conservative Michael Gove, by no stretch of the imagination can he be labelled liberal.

And if you were having a go at Bernardo's then I believe your attack is miss guided. Bernardo's do brilliant work, and they are not deserving of a Geezer rant.

For the record, my instincts are that exclusions are a good thing for the majority of pupils. I am sorry the Con/Dems are undoing a good policy.

[anotheoldgit]

If some of those rioting students are the future teachers, things can only get worse.

For today's problem the answer is easy, recruit more male teachers.

[modeller]

china doll #I don't think they should be excluded from school for this, I think they should be supported. #

How about the other 30 kids in the class ? Are they to be sacrificed for the sake of your

# violent little thug with a chip on your shoulder #

.# I don't think they should be excluded from school for this, I think they should be supported.#

OK tell us how,? No school I worked in knew the answer . Leaving them in class to ruin the lesson for the others is not the answer.

[modeller]

#If teachers are teaching badly, it's obvious that using soldiers instead is the only solution. That'll stop disruption in ts tracks.#

#bringing ex servicemen is nothing new, but it may work.! #

#For today's problem the answer is easy, recruit more male teachers. #

None of these suggestions will work because discipline is only successful if there are sanctions which can be enforced. I assure you speaking as an ex-soldier and teacher I found it much easier in the army . In the army you know , and all ranks know , that anyone who breaks the rules will be punished . That is not the case in civilian life. In fact the reverse is the case , everyone knows that anti social behaviour goes largely unpunished.

[New Judge]

Whether or not they are effective depends on their aim. If they are to provide the teachers and other pupils a respite from the miscreants’ activities, then they probably work. However, if they are to serve as a punishment for the offender then they certainly do not. After all, just what “punishment” do they provide for a child who misbehaves at school and probably does not want to be there anyway? A few days off? The child will certainly have some of that. A few days indoors on the X-Box or, if the weather is nice, roaming around the local shopping centre. Luvly Jubbly! Apparently two thirds of those excluded had been excluded before. Well, there’s a surprise!

They are probably over used. But, of course, as the Geezer rightly points out, far from being the first or last resort they are more or less the only resort. Teachers have few if any other sanctions to impose on unruly children.

The answer is to exclude these precious mites from mainstream school and take them to another place of education where they will be contained (by force if necessary) for the duration of the school day. The regime there will be unpleasant enough to ensure the little darlings do not want to repeat the experience.

Yes, China Doll, many of these unfortunates have big issues and problems, most of which are brought on by their parents. But there are other children to consider here and only when the miscreants and their parents realise that will some semblance of order be restored in schools.

Yes, jake, I have visited schools. I visit about twenty or thirty a year (about 50:50 State: Private) speaking to pupils about some of the work that I do. Strangely, in the private schools where parents pay additional fees behaviour is usually impeccable. In many of the State schools, behaviour and manners are so bad I would not leave my dog there unattended.