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Are men at a disadvantage socially and economically due to 'bigoted feminists'?
Is Dominic Raab correct when he says that men are now at a disadvantage socially and economically?
http://www.dailymail....Feminists-bigots.html
He states that men work longer hours - but just about every woman I know in employment also takes a lead in child care, cooking and cleaning.
Furthermore, I can't think of many areas of employment (armed forces, industry, commerce, local government, police service, central government etc) where the upper echelons are dominated by women.
But would you say that Mr Raab has a point, or like me, do you suspect he may have posted that piece whilst slightly 'worse for wear' in the hours after a massive row with 'er indoors?
http://www.dailymail....Feminists-bigots.html
He states that men work longer hours - but just about every woman I know in employment also takes a lead in child care, cooking and cleaning.
Furthermore, I can't think of many areas of employment (armed forces, industry, commerce, local government, police service, central government etc) where the upper echelons are dominated by women.
But would you say that Mr Raab has a point, or like me, do you suspect he may have posted that piece whilst slightly 'worse for wear' in the hours after a massive row with 'er indoors?
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I've never had any problem with equality. What really irritates and angers me are double standards and hypocrisy. It seems that women are permitted to make completely sexist remarks and act in a very discriminating manner, yet if men did the same there would be uproar from women. Just two examples:
1 The Race for Life. This is openly advertised every year as a women only event. OK, it's for breast cancer (which my mother died of) but so what? Cancer affects everyone and men get breast cancer too. If a man wants to compete and raise funds for breast cancer he's told 'Women only!'. Men can staff the water points or something. Imagine if there was a fund-raising event that was advertised as 'Men only - No women!' There would be uproar from excluded women.
2. Domestic violence. The government and media make out that it's only women who are victims, yet a significant percentage are men. There are thousands of female refuges around the country, usually several in each of the larger towns and cities. Yet there is not one male refuge in the country! My first wife was a violent alcoholic who the neighbours were often calling the police for when she smashed the place up and attacked me. One of her tricks was to boil a kettle and pour it over me and twice I ended up in hospital - once with an 18" blister up my back! Yet the police did nothing except ask why I ddn't leave (because it was my home, I had a mortgage, nowhere else to go and a business to lose). Yet if I'd hit my wife once I would have got arrested and a name as a wife beater.
The double standards in this country are sickening and those promoting feminism have become the most aggressive and unpleasant bigots.
1 The Race for Life. This is openly advertised every year as a women only event. OK, it's for breast cancer (which my mother died of) but so what? Cancer affects everyone and men get breast cancer too. If a man wants to compete and raise funds for breast cancer he's told 'Women only!'. Men can staff the water points or something. Imagine if there was a fund-raising event that was advertised as 'Men only - No women!' There would be uproar from excluded women.
2. Domestic violence. The government and media make out that it's only women who are victims, yet a significant percentage are men. There are thousands of female refuges around the country, usually several in each of the larger towns and cities. Yet there is not one male refuge in the country! My first wife was a violent alcoholic who the neighbours were often calling the police for when she smashed the place up and attacked me. One of her tricks was to boil a kettle and pour it over me and twice I ended up in hospital - once with an 18" blister up my back! Yet the police did nothing except ask why I ddn't leave (because it was my home, I had a mortgage, nowhere else to go and a business to lose). Yet if I'd hit my wife once I would have got arrested and a name as a wife beater.
The double standards in this country are sickening and those promoting feminism have become the most aggressive and unpleasant bigots.
Another illustration of Mr Raab's point SP.
You mention women in the armed forces. Yet how many women have died in Iraq or Afghanistan? Women are told they have as much right to be solidiers as men and they love being photographed in their fatigues as if it's all some sort of fashion parade. But when women are sent to Afghanistan they're all 'kept back in communications roles'. Just one woman was been killed on active service in Iraq - and she was hitching a lift from one communications post to another when the vehicle went over a mine. The women want medals when they get back and to be told they are 'heros' (not heroines of course) but they won't fight. Surely if 10% of soldiers are women then so should 10% of the deaths be women. Isn't that sexual equality? Why should it always be the men who die?
If a woman approaches her local council and claims she's homeless she'll be found accommodation. Yet a man will be told to go away and live on the street. The council say it's because women are vulnerable! Well, aren't men? Don't men get as cold and as hungry as women with just as much chance of being attacked?
Mr Raab does have a point SP.
You mention women in the armed forces. Yet how many women have died in Iraq or Afghanistan? Women are told they have as much right to be solidiers as men and they love being photographed in their fatigues as if it's all some sort of fashion parade. But when women are sent to Afghanistan they're all 'kept back in communications roles'. Just one woman was been killed on active service in Iraq - and she was hitching a lift from one communications post to another when the vehicle went over a mine. The women want medals when they get back and to be told they are 'heros' (not heroines of course) but they won't fight. Surely if 10% of soldiers are women then so should 10% of the deaths be women. Isn't that sexual equality? Why should it always be the men who die?
If a woman approaches her local council and claims she's homeless she'll be found accommodation. Yet a man will be told to go away and live on the street. The council say it's because women are vulnerable! Well, aren't men? Don't men get as cold and as hungry as women with just as much chance of being attacked?
Mr Raab does have a point SP.
At least give correct figures for female military deaths from enemy action...
Afghanistan:
Cpl Sarah Bryant - Int Corps
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8545227.stm
Iraq:
Flt Lt Sarah-Jayne Mulvihill - RAF
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6601017.stm
Staff Sgt Sharron Elliott - Int Corps
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6146844.stm
2nd Lt Joanna Yorke Dyer - Int Corps
Pte Eleanor Dlugosz - RAMC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6533789.stm
Afghanistan:
Cpl Sarah Bryant - Int Corps
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8545227.stm
Iraq:
Flt Lt Sarah-Jayne Mulvihill - RAF
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6601017.stm
Staff Sgt Sharron Elliott - Int Corps
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6146844.stm
2nd Lt Joanna Yorke Dyer - Int Corps
Pte Eleanor Dlugosz - RAMC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6533789.stm
Men have an advantage that there physique doesn't change by pregnancy & rearing. Nor do they suffer the stress/pain of monthly menstruation that debilitates most women. Women have time-clocks if they want families, men dont have same. A man can have 10+ families from as many women (& neglect them) - not much chance of a woman doing same.
If women strive for their careers, they're the minority and short lived.
If women strive for their careers, they're the minority and short lived.
I don't think men are at a disadvantage socially or economically, but there is a certain amount of double standards around as andyvon says.
e.g, at the time of the banking crisis, Harriet Harman said about Lehman Brothers - If it had been Lehman Sisters this would never have happened.
That's a pretty sexist thing to say - about on a par with those two idiots who said women shouldn't officiate at football matches because they couldn't understand the offside rule.
e.g, at the time of the banking crisis, Harriet Harman said about Lehman Brothers - If it had been Lehman Sisters this would never have happened.
That's a pretty sexist thing to say - about on a par with those two idiots who said women shouldn't officiate at football matches because they couldn't understand the offside rule.
As women do have less testosterone than men maybe they would be more suitable in positions of the government that involve masculine confrontation.
We already have a woman Home Secretary and before her Jacquie Smith. This could be extended to Armed Forces minister and eventally up to PM status. No more wars based on pally boys clubs.
Thatcher was an exception to the female cause but they could have tackled her at sauce.
We already have a woman Home Secretary and before her Jacquie Smith. This could be extended to Armed Forces minister and eventally up to PM status. No more wars based on pally boys clubs.
Thatcher was an exception to the female cause but they could have tackled her at sauce.
Take most of the TV commercials men are made to look inadequate most of the time.
On shows such as Loose Women men are fair game for attacks from the women.
One hears on news reports from disaster or war areas, "a number of women,children and babies were killed"
What about the men, don't they matter?.
Take also the recent mickey taking of the female linesman, had that been the other way round nothing would have been heard of it, let alone reaching the headlines.
On shows such as Loose Women men are fair game for attacks from the women.
One hears on news reports from disaster or war areas, "a number of women,children and babies were killed"
What about the men, don't they matter?.
Take also the recent mickey taking of the female linesman, had that been the other way round nothing would have been heard of it, let alone reaching the headlines.
@Andyvon - "Yet how many women have died in Iraq or Afghanistan?"
Yeah, we want more dead women!
Also, re pics of female soldiers in fatigues, bear in mind certain sections of the media seem unable to resist taking this sort of picture. I doubt the soldiers are throwing themselves in front of the cameras.
I reckon there might be some isolated instances of disadvantaged men but not widespread. Some mechanisms in society e.g, some aspects of family law are still harsh on men. The domestic violence point you made, while perhaps directly related to sp1814's question, is a valid one - I've had experiencs of mentioning this subject and being met with titters of dismissive amusement. I also agree with the above point about the tired old portrayal of useless men in adverts.
Yeah, we want more dead women!
Also, re pics of female soldiers in fatigues, bear in mind certain sections of the media seem unable to resist taking this sort of picture. I doubt the soldiers are throwing themselves in front of the cameras.
I reckon there might be some isolated instances of disadvantaged men but not widespread. Some mechanisms in society e.g, some aspects of family law are still harsh on men. The domestic violence point you made, while perhaps directly related to sp1814's question, is a valid one - I've had experiencs of mentioning this subject and being met with titters of dismissive amusement. I also agree with the above point about the tired old portrayal of useless men in adverts.
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