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Nhs/Gov Coronavirus Tracing App Ditched In Major U-Turn
The Government Corona app which has been an expensive waste of money, and more crucially time.
Switching to a new app based on the Apple/Google model.
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Switching to a new app based on the Apple/Google model.
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Much as I regret to say so, I am rapidly losing confidence in this government and my patience is largely exhausted.
This is just the latest in the line of mis-management of the virus outbreak (and there are other matters as well which I won't go into). The country is in desperate need of a return to normality. The population has done its bit by "saving the NHS" from being overwhelmed (which it never to came close to being). The economy is now at a critical turning point. It has already been trashed for a generation or more. If normality is not rapidly restored it will be broken beyond repair. The damage now being done to people's livelihoods and their health is becoming considerable. The continued closure of schools is an utter disgrace, driven by intransigent teachers' unions. The government is not governing. It is allowing teachers' unions to dictate the policy on restarting schools; it is allowing Train Operating Companies to impose their own conditions on running the trains; it is allowing those who want to remain locked up to dictate the policy on easing the restrictions; it has allowed the Mayor of London to impose stricter restrictions on travel on the Underground than the Secretary of State for Transport thought necessary.
A few things have to be accepted and acted upon rapidly:
- "Social Distancing" is not possible in a number of situations. Public Transport and the hospitality industry are two of the most significant. The idea can remain as "guidance to be followed where reasonably practical" (which is all it is) and it must not be promoted as a "rule". Where it is not reasonably practical it must be ditched and those facilities allowed to resume normal business.
- Their efforts at "Track and Trace" are pointless
- The cure is now manifestly worse than the disease and the lesser of the two evils must be managed.
- The irrational paranoia which has gripped many of the population making them think they will die if they step outside the front door and their view of other human beings as potential murderers should they pass 1.99m away from them must be addressed.
This is just the latest in the line of mis-management of the virus outbreak (and there are other matters as well which I won't go into). The country is in desperate need of a return to normality. The population has done its bit by "saving the NHS" from being overwhelmed (which it never to came close to being). The economy is now at a critical turning point. It has already been trashed for a generation or more. If normality is not rapidly restored it will be broken beyond repair. The damage now being done to people's livelihoods and their health is becoming considerable. The continued closure of schools is an utter disgrace, driven by intransigent teachers' unions. The government is not governing. It is allowing teachers' unions to dictate the policy on restarting schools; it is allowing Train Operating Companies to impose their own conditions on running the trains; it is allowing those who want to remain locked up to dictate the policy on easing the restrictions; it has allowed the Mayor of London to impose stricter restrictions on travel on the Underground than the Secretary of State for Transport thought necessary.
A few things have to be accepted and acted upon rapidly:
- "Social Distancing" is not possible in a number of situations. Public Transport and the hospitality industry are two of the most significant. The idea can remain as "guidance to be followed where reasonably practical" (which is all it is) and it must not be promoted as a "rule". Where it is not reasonably practical it must be ditched and those facilities allowed to resume normal business.
- Their efforts at "Track and Trace" are pointless
- The cure is now manifestly worse than the disease and the lesser of the two evils must be managed.
- The irrational paranoia which has gripped many of the population making them think they will die if they step outside the front door and their view of other human beings as potential murderers should they pass 1.99m away from them must be addressed.
NJ, you say the NHS was never close to being overwhelmed.
A neighbour’s been telling me how he’s had Covid - about three weeks for him but six weeks for his wife. Neither was seen by anyone. (Both are in their 40s.) Even when he emailed photos of her turning blue as she struggled to breathe.
They will probably argue that they got it right, as both survived. But if they escaped being overwhelmed, it may have been by not doing their jobs, which customarily involve treating the seriously ill rather than just guessing that they won’t die.
A neighbour’s been telling me how he’s had Covid - about three weeks for him but six weeks for his wife. Neither was seen by anyone. (Both are in their 40s.) Even when he emailed photos of her turning blue as she struggled to breathe.
They will probably argue that they got it right, as both survived. But if they escaped being overwhelmed, it may have been by not doing their jobs, which customarily involve treating the seriously ill rather than just guessing that they won’t die.
Hancock was very economical with the truth at tonights corona briefing.
At tonights briefing Hancock insisted that the Government had backed both horses building a app, doing their own app and pursuing the Apple/Google initiative.
The truth is different...
When Apple/Google announced in April that they were working to support contact tracing, the UK Government emphatically rejected it, insisting they would build their own ‘world beating’ app.
They trialed it on the Isle of Wight, and embarrassingly it didn’t work and it was due to launch on June 1st.
So they hastily commissioned another Apple/Google app about 3 weeks ago. It is still being built.
So rather than backing both horses, they changed their bet when their first horse fell at the first fence.
At tonights briefing Hancock insisted that the Government had backed both horses building a app, doing their own app and pursuing the Apple/Google initiative.
The truth is different...
When Apple/Google announced in April that they were working to support contact tracing, the UK Government emphatically rejected it, insisting they would build their own ‘world beating’ app.
They trialed it on the Isle of Wight, and embarrassingly it didn’t work and it was due to launch on June 1st.
So they hastily commissioned another Apple/Google app about 3 weeks ago. It is still being built.
So rather than backing both horses, they changed their bet when their first horse fell at the first fence.
The "app" only works in its current form if people are prepared, without fear of sanction, to report honestly and comply unquestioningly. Like China, or Korea or Japan for instance. Here in the UK we have developed the healthy mindset of not being pliant, and to not trust "big bruvva". That is why the Isle of White(I know I know) was chosen to trial and even the old gits on there wouldn't fess up. Nothing wrong with being nearly right for the wrong reason though gromit.
Togo,
The Government app had to we always on and open all day, massively draining the phone battery. The data it captured was sent to ‘big bruvva’.
The Apple/Google app is on in the background. Once activated it is always on but not draining power. The data stays on the phone so no privacy concerns.
The Isle of Wight was chosen for its size, but the demographics were wrong. An app will appeal to younger people, not old gits who tend to be technophobes.
The Government app had to we always on and open all day, massively draining the phone battery. The data it captured was sent to ‘big bruvva’.
The Apple/Google app is on in the background. Once activated it is always on but not draining power. The data stays on the phone so no privacy concerns.
The Isle of Wight was chosen for its size, but the demographics were wrong. An app will appeal to younger people, not old gits who tend to be technophobes.
// how many infections / deaths have occurred because the app wasn’t out 10 weeks ago.// not estimatable - how many deaths occurred because the weather changed, or the virus mutated, or steroids werent used ( actually that is - around 4 000)
I doubt we will be told how many £millions have been wasted for no gain. - write to your MP and say it is not what your tax pounds should be used for and ask him to find out
actually it was in the best parsible taste - that the data should be local and private - but they cdnt get it to get up and run
I doubt we will be told how many £millions have been wasted for no gain. - write to your MP and say it is not what your tax pounds should be used for and ask him to find out
actually it was in the best parsible taste - that the data should be local and private - but they cdnt get it to get up and run
//An app will appeal to younger people, not old gits who tend to be technophobes.//
You do spout some blocks. Why would the largely immune from serious illness young, scramble to down load an app that they couldn't give a fig about and older people are at risk not. Unless they were sceptical about the covert control aspect of it? The idea that "old gits" are useless technophobes is another illustration of your one dimensional though process. Everyone that I know, and interact with, of my age group (more than 3 score years and 10) is perfectly able to cope with teck nol a gee. We grew up with it, we saw it happen, some of us helped to maintain and develop it. Nope. The Island was chosen to see whether the "vulnerable age group" would take up the app......the answer was not on your nellie. If it won't fly in a small way it aint gonna fly to the moon.
You do spout some blocks. Why would the largely immune from serious illness young, scramble to down load an app that they couldn't give a fig about and older people are at risk not. Unless they were sceptical about the covert control aspect of it? The idea that "old gits" are useless technophobes is another illustration of your one dimensional though process. Everyone that I know, and interact with, of my age group (more than 3 score years and 10) is perfectly able to cope with teck nol a gee. We grew up with it, we saw it happen, some of us helped to maintain and develop it. Nope. The Island was chosen to see whether the "vulnerable age group" would take up the app......the answer was not on your nellie. If it won't fly in a small way it aint gonna fly to the moon.
New Judge and others may be right, that the appropriate thing to do is to abandon any and all efforts at the United Kingdom managing or having any influence on how Covid 19 develops within the country's borders. This should remove all doubt for the financial markets to worry about, allow all businesses to resume operations in any way and to any extent they choose, and remove any and all confusion from the public's mind. People will generously infect each other and ultimately no-one will be left out. The NHS will soar toward even higher losses of life, already one of the very worst ratios worldwide - maybe there will be celebrations on the doorsteps as it indisputably becomes the World's Best at it. As a likely result the borders will for months if not years effectively be closed to all travelling outward because no country will want to receive people highly likely to be infected, unless they undergo testing at their own expense and either are negative or else return to the UK. Maybe Northern Ireland will insist on a sealed border down the Irish Sea. Exports will be affected too as nervous countries insist on disinfection certificates, quarantining of goods, etc. All much simpler and smoother. As for the World Beating tracing app, it was always clear that it was going to be too good to be used.
// Turned blue? Wrong colour I'm afraid whoever got the email just thought they were angry Scots.//
I was gonna say I hope they photoshopped it - callous boy
No boys and girls - seriously - finger pulse oximeters are available. I got a chinee one for as little as £5
and yes research HAS been done on - looks blue / is blue
and the correlation is pretty terrible
I was gonna say I hope they photoshopped it - callous boy
No boys and girls - seriously - finger pulse oximeters are available. I got a chinee one for as little as £5
and yes research HAS been done on - looks blue / is blue
and the correlation is pretty terrible
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