BNP list

[123everton]

I'm not a fan of the BNP (far from it) but why should it be illegal for civil servants etc. to be a member?
It's not an illegal political party they're alowed (rightly) to stand in elections, they even qualify for party election broadcasts on TV.
Should Police officers not be allowed to officiate picket lines if they are Tories, would they be deemed similarly biased if they were Labour activists, are Police and prison wardens not allowed to be members of any political party?
Do the other parties display a list of it's members names, occupations and addresses?

[Coldicote]

My understanding is that conditions of service say they must not take an 'active' part in politics. The aim is impartiality in carrying out their duties. Policing picket lines is not a matter of bias, but of maintaining public order and preventing a breach of the peace.

[jake-the-peg]

Everton

There's a huge difference between Tories and Labour amd "normal" parties and the BNP

And as I've pointed out they all agree that the BNP are beyond the pale.

The normal parties don't actively discriminate against people on their race. The BNP do.

Policemen have to deal with all this countries inhabitants on a fair and even basis.

Being a member of the BNP is completely incompatible with this.

It's not specifically the BNP it's any party that espouses racism - If the Nation of Islam were a force here it'd be them too.

[Hotlardlife]

If they are beyond the pale, why are they not banned? Is it because alot of the slurs against them are not 100% true?

If they are so racist, why are there coloured mambers?

Your comments may be true of Combat16 and the National Front but I think you are rather over generalizing to proved your lefty point.

Commies like you are more dangerous to this country.

[jake-the-peg]

What coloured members?

[Octavius]

But under statute don�t they have the freedom to belong to any membership body they so wish? Whilst they may be members of the BNP, this does not necessarily mean they will vote for or against them, or agree with everything they say.

Britain, as well as being a representative democracy, has also been labelled a liberal democracy. A country that claims to be a "liberal democracy", embraces the whole issue of civil liberties - freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of assembly freedom of religion etc (within the confines of the law) all are of paramount importance.

As far as we are aware, these people have not broken the law, and are not doing so by association are they?

[jake-the-peg]

I doubt it!

Can you see it as having been acceptable for a Metropolitan Police officer to have been a member of Sinn Fein? (esp. before the peace process)

[Ethel]

Police officers don't have a lot of the rights of other members of the workforce - they don't have the right to strike, for example.

[Octavius]

Since 2004, police officers have been banned from joining the party (and NF), but the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) concede that some members will have gone undetected. They would be sacked.

[Quinlad]

The BNP was a militant faction that split from the National Front because it felt that the NF was becoming too moderate.

It wasn't the other way round.

And it's Combat 18. Combat 16 would be followers of 'Adolf Fitler'.

[Sgt.Rock]

Like them or not (and I don't support them) they are a legal political party. What next, a purge on Communist party members because they are considered subversive?
It appears the liberals only want to live and let live when it suits them to.

[Quinlad]

I don't think anyone's disputing the fact that they're a lega political party. Unless I've missed something?

It's a question of whether a police officer can hold those views and be ostensibly fair-minded enough to treat every member of the public equally. Everyone is equal in the eyes of the law but BNP members actively discriminate against different ethnicities.

Hang on, jake's already said that. And it's been explained about 5 times on other threads. Still...

[Sgt.Rock]

Then should a member of another racist organisation, The Black Police Officer's Association, which discriminates against white officers, be allowed any say in a disciplinary case against a white officer? Surely as a member of an organisation which discriiminates against white people they wouldn't be impartial?

[Octavius]

The difference is that the BPA sets out to promote the equality of black police officers within a presumably white dominated institution. I would imagine they do not set out to eradicate, remove and deport white police officers, so where is the discrimination and parallel to the BNP?

[sp1814]

Sgt.Rock

What?

Please explain how the Association Of Black Police Officers discriminates against white officers.

[Sgt.Rock]

It bars white officers becoming members so by nature it is discriminatory. It may have escaped your notice but 90% of the UK population is white, so then a white dominated country.
Perhaps the Jamaican police force is similarly black dominated. Of course the White Police Officer's Association of Jamaica is there to look after their members interest. Don't tell me there isn't one!!
The "white domination" of the police force could be in part to the Black Police Officer's Association advising black and Asian people not to become police officers.

[Sgt.Rock]

sp - Slightly off the track but I asked you three days ago why it was OK for Chris Rock to use the N word when Bernard Manning was vilified for doing so but you didn't attempt to answer but went off at a tangent. Any views?

[Quinlad]

Sgt.Rock.

I'm sure you know this already - you must do - but the problem is the disproportionate domination by whites. Do you understand that?

[Sgt.Rock]

Similar to disproportianate discrimination to whites in the ANC for example then Quinlad? Or the England football team? White under reprresentation you must agree.
Why do we never see the number of ethnic minority applicants for posts, only the take on figure. Could it be that heaven forbid they aren't applying. Perhaps on the advice of the Black Police Officer's Association.

[Octavius]

Sgt Rock, how does the BPA �bar� white police officers from becoming members?

The NBPA does not have any individual members. It is made up of local associations and many of those which allow full white membership

Is the British Association for Women in Policing sexist?

[Quinlad]

Are you suggesting that the ethnicity of applicants isn't recorded? Where have you been for the last 20 years?

Once you set up the body to stamp out discrimination against white English footballers, can you let me know so I can sign up?