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'in One Generation, Europe Will Be Unrecognizable' ...
Or so it is being said.
'Eastern Europe now has "the largest population loss in modern history", while Germany overtook Japan by having the world's lowest birth rate.
Europe, as it is aging, no longer renews its generations, and instead welcomes massive numbers of migrants from the Middle East, Africa and Asia, who are going to replace the native Europeans, and who are bringing cultures with radically different values about sex, science, political power, culture, economy and the relation between God and man.'
Do you find this alarming and do we actually need this population top-up?
'Eastern Europe now has "the largest population loss in modern history", while Germany overtook Japan by having the world's lowest birth rate.
Europe, as it is aging, no longer renews its generations, and instead welcomes massive numbers of migrants from the Middle East, Africa and Asia, who are going to replace the native Europeans, and who are bringing cultures with radically different values about sex, science, political power, culture, economy and the relation between God and man.'
Do you find this alarming and do we actually need this population top-up?
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“Which is why importing young healthy workers, to pay for the retired is the option taken by many Western
14:37 Sat 27th Aug 2016
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//The xenophile European bourgeoisie, which today controls politics and the media, seem imbued with a snobbish and masochistic racism. They have turned against the values of their own Judeo-Christian culture and combined it with a hallucinatory, romanticized view of the values of other cultures. The sad paradox is that Europeans are now importing young people in large numbers from the Middle East to compensate for their lifestyle choices.//
This is the paragraph from Mottley's link that just about sums up the article. Of course when anyone tries to explore that view in open debate on any of the websites available , including "The Bank", they are howled down and the klaxons blare. Racism it is screamed. Either the idiots are indeed running the asylum, or it is deliberate 5th column tactics by the resentful and peevish. They of course all have vested interests in "big business" and wage a constant propaganda campaign that ensnares the feeble minded and wannabee virtue transmitters.
This is the paragraph from Mottley's link that just about sums up the article. Of course when anyone tries to explore that view in open debate on any of the websites available , including "The Bank", they are howled down and the klaxons blare. Racism it is screamed. Either the idiots are indeed running the asylum, or it is deliberate 5th column tactics by the resentful and peevish. They of course all have vested interests in "big business" and wage a constant propaganda campaign that ensnares the feeble minded and wannabee virtue transmitters.
I realise I am wasting my time, but the rise in population is not just due to immigration.
More people are living longer lives than in the 1950s. So overall population rises
The imbalance between people working and paying taxes and those receiving those taxes in benefits (state pension etc) and spending resources (NHS) has changed massively since the 1950s. There are less % paying taxes now, and more % getting them.
Which is why importing young healthy workers, to pay for the retired is the option taken by many Western economies.
More people are living longer lives than in the 1950s. So overall population rises
The imbalance between people working and paying taxes and those receiving those taxes in benefits (state pension etc) and spending resources (NHS) has changed massively since the 1950s. There are less % paying taxes now, and more % getting them.
Which is why importing young healthy workers, to pay for the retired is the option taken by many Western economies.
Mixing of ideas is fine. Screwing up one's valiant attempts to keep the population to a, not too unacceptably high, level, is not. What is the point of some sort of achievement with convincing your own population to show restraint, if authorities are to find excuses to mess it all up by allowing a large influx of folk from elsewhere ? It is pure insanity. Leaves me in despair at the human race, who never seem to have the intellect to learn.
In answer to your last question, no we need no top-up as, if we continue to do, so we just make the problem worse for future generations. We need further reductions, and to ensure society can cope with the issues that raises.
In answer to your last question, no we need no top-up as, if we continue to do, so we just make the problem worse for future generations. We need further reductions, and to ensure society can cope with the issues that raises.
We seem to have had this self-same debate, many, many times here on AB, and, like Gromit, I may be wasting my time as well, but......
We will continue to need immigrant workers here in Britain, as long as our own long-term unemployed dole-bludgers are allowed, and indeed encouraged, to sit at home on their backsides doing nothing. Until they are forced to get suitable training, and then forced out to work, I can't see the situation changing.
We will continue to need immigrant workers here in Britain, as long as our own long-term unemployed dole-bludgers are allowed, and indeed encouraged, to sit at home on their backsides doing nothing. Until they are forced to get suitable training, and then forced out to work, I can't see the situation changing.
//We will continue to need immigrant workers here in Britain, as long as our own long-term unemployed dole-bludgers are allowed, and indeed encouraged, to sit at home on their backsides doing nothing. Until they are forced to get suitable training, and then forced out to work, I can't see the situation changing. //
You wont find a statement like that in any Labour party manifesto.
You wont find a statement like that in any Labour party manifesto.
Togo...I am not sure if you will find that in any Tory Manifesto either.
But as immigration has continued to grow since May 2010, then even it was Tory policy, they seem to have been unable to implement it, despite Dave promising us he could and he would.
I suspect that you and I are not a million miles apart on this issue Togo.
I have said many times before, that our dole-bludgers shouldn't be allowed to exist for generations on benefits. Its simply not feasible.
But as immigration has continued to grow since May 2010, then even it was Tory policy, they seem to have been unable to implement it, despite Dave promising us he could and he would.
I suspect that you and I are not a million miles apart on this issue Togo.
I have said many times before, that our dole-bludgers shouldn't be allowed to exist for generations on benefits. Its simply not feasible.
mikey4444
/// We will continue to need immigrant workers here in Britain, as long as our own long-term unemployed dole-bludgers are allowed, and indeed encouraged, to sit at home on their backsides doing nothing. ///
And would those (our own) long-term unemployed dole-bludgers be of the white indigenous kind?
/// We will continue to need immigrant workers here in Britain, as long as our own long-term unemployed dole-bludgers are allowed, and indeed encouraged, to sit at home on their backsides doing nothing. ///
And would those (our own) long-term unemployed dole-bludgers be of the white indigenous kind?
Long term unemployment (LTU) rates have dropped dramatically in the UK. And of the LTU only a fraction are those are deliberately avoiding employment. More than half of LTU are people in their 50s or older. The rest is mainly people who are ill, single parents or ex prisoners.
It is a myth that there is a vast army of theidle to do these low paid manual work jobs
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It is a myth that there is a vast army of theidle to do these low paid manual work jobs
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Gromit...on the other side of the road from me are 12 houses.
The houses where there is people in work is occupied by a man and his 20+ year old son, and another is where a Polish family live and both parents work.
Two contain retired couples.
One is what is known as a Community Mental Health Unit, where there are two adult men, with learning difficulties, together with their Carer
The rest of the houses (7) are occupied by either single mothers, or young men in their 20/30's and none are working, and haven't for a long time
I not sure if this is typical or not, just saying that its my local experience.
The houses where there is people in work is occupied by a man and his 20+ year old son, and another is where a Polish family live and both parents work.
Two contain retired couples.
One is what is known as a Community Mental Health Unit, where there are two adult men, with learning difficulties, together with their Carer
The rest of the houses (7) are occupied by either single mothers, or young men in their 20/30's and none are working, and haven't for a long time
I not sure if this is typical or not, just saying that its my local experience.
“Which is why importing young healthy workers, to pay for the retired is the option taken by many Western economies.”
But as I have demonstrated countless times (with figures, not opinion) and have no intention of doing so again, many of the “young, healthy workers” which we import do not make a net contribution to the nation’s funds. This is especially so if they have a child or two (no matter where the children reside). There is also the problem that, incredible as it may seem, eventually those “young healthy workers” become old decrepit pensioners who have probably made no provision to fund their retirement and will rely on the State to see them through their dotage. They will simply become a larger replacement for the current “less % paying taxes now, and more % getting them”. In short young people eventually get old – a phenomenon that does not seem to have been taken on board. So what do we do then? I know – we can import more from elsewhere. Eastern Europe will probably be empty by then (or if not, the few left will have no services to provide for them as all the “young healthy workers” will have upped sticks and headed west). So it must be Africa or Asia, then. But hang on! Many people from there cannot speak English, go to prayers on Friday and think it is OK to mutilate girls and young women! It will make Europe unrecognisable” Er…er….
A rising population (however it comes about) is simply unsustainable and as I said in an answer to another question, the nation needs to develop an economic model that does not depend on a constantly increasing population.
“The rest of the houses (7) are occupied by either single mothers, or young men in their 20/30's and none are working, and haven't for a long time”
And there you have it, Mikey. All too often the drag on the public purse in the form of benefits is laid at the door of pensioners. The proper State pension (that is, pensions that have been fully funded by the recipients) is a perfectly sustainable system. Many of those in that category not only have funded their State pension but also have other income on which they continue to pay tax. What is not sustainable is “retirement age benefits”, received by the people you describe. They spend their lives doing little or nothing, being sustained by the taxpayer. When they reach “retirement” age that sustenance continues uninterrupted and they usually receive more than those who have fully funded their State pension. That is where the drag on the public purse comes. Plus, of course, they knock out children who will continue in the same manner, adding to the benefits bill, knocking out children of their own, all needing “pensions” (I‘m sure you get the idea).
But as I have demonstrated countless times (with figures, not opinion) and have no intention of doing so again, many of the “young, healthy workers” which we import do not make a net contribution to the nation’s funds. This is especially so if they have a child or two (no matter where the children reside). There is also the problem that, incredible as it may seem, eventually those “young healthy workers” become old decrepit pensioners who have probably made no provision to fund their retirement and will rely on the State to see them through their dotage. They will simply become a larger replacement for the current “less % paying taxes now, and more % getting them”. In short young people eventually get old – a phenomenon that does not seem to have been taken on board. So what do we do then? I know – we can import more from elsewhere. Eastern Europe will probably be empty by then (or if not, the few left will have no services to provide for them as all the “young healthy workers” will have upped sticks and headed west). So it must be Africa or Asia, then. But hang on! Many people from there cannot speak English, go to prayers on Friday and think it is OK to mutilate girls and young women! It will make Europe unrecognisable” Er…er….
A rising population (however it comes about) is simply unsustainable and as I said in an answer to another question, the nation needs to develop an economic model that does not depend on a constantly increasing population.
“The rest of the houses (7) are occupied by either single mothers, or young men in their 20/30's and none are working, and haven't for a long time”
And there you have it, Mikey. All too often the drag on the public purse in the form of benefits is laid at the door of pensioners. The proper State pension (that is, pensions that have been fully funded by the recipients) is a perfectly sustainable system. Many of those in that category not only have funded their State pension but also have other income on which they continue to pay tax. What is not sustainable is “retirement age benefits”, received by the people you describe. They spend their lives doing little or nothing, being sustained by the taxpayer. When they reach “retirement” age that sustenance continues uninterrupted and they usually receive more than those who have fully funded their State pension. That is where the drag on the public purse comes. Plus, of course, they knock out children who will continue in the same manner, adding to the benefits bill, knocking out children of their own, all needing “pensions” (I‘m sure you get the idea).
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