Gps, Care Homes And Hospices Voice Concern Over Budget Tax Rises

[naomi24]

//GPs, care homes and hospices have voiced concerns about the impact of the rise in employer National Insurance contributions announced in the Budget.

The NHS and rest of the public sector are exempt from the tax rise - but that does not cover private care homes or hospices which provide NHS services.

There is also confusion over the impact on GPs, many of which are run as small businesses.

The Department for Health and Social Care said further details for GPs will be confirmed in due course - but a Treasury minister told Question Time they will have to pay the tax hike.

Dr David Wrigley, a GP and deputy chair at the British Medical Association said the impact of the tax rise would be "monumental".//

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl409gww1go

 

 

Areas that seem to have been overlooked by our chancellor - and not forgetting that many on a minimum wage will be getting pay rises too - or being laid off.   What a mess!

[davebro3]

didn't really think it through did she...🙄

[New Judge]

"...didn't really think it through did she...🙄"

No. Nor did some of our correspondents on here, one or two of whom believed it was just what businesses - especially in the low pay sector -  deserved or that it was a fuss over nothing. I quote:

"And all the time these companies have been laughing all the way to the bank with their vulgar profits."

"i think people are making a massive stink over the NI contributions."

The problem with Labour politicians (and their supporters) is that they are so hide-bound by their ideology that actually thinking anything through properly seems to be the last consideration (if it is given any consideration at all).

I caught a glimpse of somebody claiming to be The Chief Secretary to The Treasury on "Question Time" last night. I never normally watch it as it has simply morphed into the Fiona Bruce show. But I'd read that an audience member gave the politicians on the panel a bit of a pasting (which he did), so thought I'd give it five minutes.

Apart from being a most odious creature who treated the programme rather like eleven year olds would treat a debating society, he mentioned that (according to Treasury calculations) most businesses would be paying the same or less than they do now.  Quite how this can be when the rate will go up and the threshold beyond which it is paid will come down is a bit mysterious. It is true that in the "small print" there is a relaxation for small businesses (bit too complex to describe here). However, this applies only to very small businesses (those with fewer than five employees) so I'm not too sure how his claim holds up. It was a bit difficult to grasp exactly what he was saying because he behaved a bit like an excitable schoolboy, interrupting anybody else who spoke and jabbering on about "those with the broadest shoulders" and prattling on about a "Black Hole" left by the Conservatives (the existence and size of which was not confirmed by an OBR report published yesterday).

But despite all his nonsensical waffle, there is no doubt that this measure is causing huge concerns in the sector of the economy which creates the wealth for the government to waste. To believe the burden will be shouldered entirely by businesses and there will be no effects on staff is just about as naive as it gets.

[naomi24]

//there is no doubt that this measure is causing huge concerns in the sector of the economy which creates the wealth //

 

And in the sector that doesn't.

[Deskdiary]

The level of naivety from some is astonishing and worrying in equal measure.

 

One poster stated "Rachel did good. I am happy with the budget. What is there not to like?" but didn't return to the thread when asked what did he or she like about it, and another opened a thread with the heading "Greatest Budget Ever" even though it demonstrably wasn't the greatest and is in fact one of the worst.

[Deskdiary]

I have no idea why my post has been duplicated.

[naomi24]

It happens sometimes.  I've no idea why.  I'll delete the spare.

[youngmafbog]

The wheels are falling off the bus.

SIR TTK and Reeves are in over their heads.

It's 6th form politics being displayed on the World stage.

[youngmafbog]

//another opened a thread with the heading "Greatest Budget Ever" //

I'm convinced that is a wind up account.  No one could be so thick.

[Deskdiary]

^^^Yes, I mentioned on another thread that I was starting to think it was a parody account.

[youngmafbog]

And lets not forget councils.  Many services are contracted out so even if the councils are covered by the "public sector" exclusion the contracted out companies wont be.

Neither will water, gas, electricity, internet .......

"Working people" will be flat broke.

[Ryzen]

If you give the lowest paid workers a 16% pay rise, all workers above will demand the same percentage rise to maintain the pay grade gap.

[fender62]

life in a workers state, all property is theft... except for labour mp's, do as i say not as i do... put on some taylor swift while i pick your pocket.

 

[jourdain2]

It is also going to hit small, rural churches like us.  The majority are already closing at a rate of knots. Clergy are part-time counsellors, retired teachers etc., etc. and work for very little. We will now have to find extra to pay their NI..  It really is hard enough as it is - there is no help to keep the buildings standing, repairs, insurance etc.. (ins. wanted to up ours to £9k p.a. - because we have irreplaceable 11thC  items). Currently there is a hole in a stained-glass window, which needs repairing or the window will collapse. It's 200 yrs. old.  Part of UK history.

These Standards of British rural life WILL, honestly close. We have 2 services a month and need to pay the part-timers. Their cost will shoot up with added NI. The actual vicar (5 parishes to run and when he retires we will not get another unless we can raise £57K between 5 benefices, which we can't) pays the occasional visit because he is so busy.

This must be happening in so many charities where part-timers work for very little.  The added  NI will close some and severely constrain others.

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, what relaxation for small businesses are you referring to?

[ynnafymmi]

@21.13.You are even going to get less money into your church now that the C of E are planning to pay £100 million as reperations for our long dead ancestors part of the slave trade, jourdain2.

[jourdain2]

I had actually already thought and fumed about that, ynnaf.