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thanks buildersmate thats great, he doesn't have a permanent place of work as he is contracted all over the country, he usually takes his caravan and uses available caravan parks and eats in handy supermarket cafe'setc. i have looked at the link ethel sent and it is very helpful, but when i downloaded the for it only runs for 1 year ending in tax month of 2008, is it possible to claim for all previous years as he has never claimed anything back in all his years of contracting and in some cases he has never had any subsistence from other employers