Pay Rise For Nhs?

[Theland]

The government has announced a £60,000 payment to NHS who have died in service.
I applaud this.
But after running down the health service for ten years, and staff seeing a real term reduction in pay, is it not time for the government to award an immediate pay rise to NHS staff?
If so, how much?
I would suggest 10%.

Or is it cheaper to clap?

[MartinMillar]

1/ the nhs has been in decline a lot longer than 10 years.
2/ how do you propose paying for such a generous pay rise?

[Theland]

1) Fair enough.
2) Taxes.

[MartinMillar]

Ahhh taxes so the younger generation will already paying for this virus for years to come now you want to add more debt.
And what about throwing in pay rise for other front line workers whilst you’re at it?

[pixie374]

Yes, there are many more frontline workers than NHS staff. Having worked for them, the pay wasn't bad. I do kind of agree, but not with extra taxes, just with better priorities.

[Prudie]

We laud the NHS so much because when we are ill it's scary and they are the ones who'll hopefully makes us feel better so we promote them to angels however thousands of other citizens work equally bloody hard. I don't think NHS pay is that bad these days, they'd do better to look at their management. NHS senior administrators are overpaid and under achieve (IMO).
So 10% - no.

[Theland]

If media reports are reliable, or even close, NHS pay in real terms has dropped compared to the national average.
How about restoring the gap?

[woofgang]

Prudie as a retired NHS employee, I agree with you.

[pixie374]

It may need to be evened out a little, between them and the managers. I know this will be controversial, because all nurses are "angels", but they have always been the laziest group in general, I have ever worked with. Give me carers any day.

[woofgang]

pixie I have worked with excellent nurses and terrible ones, some of whom were actually abusers. Nurses are just like any other bunch of humans, good bad and indifferent. Same when my husband was very ill and we were service users....good bad and indifferent.

[pixie374]

Yes, I know, woof. But they put me off nursing by it. And trying to get carers to work on a nursing unit is harder, as they know they have to do all the work. I have no doubt there are some fantastic nurses, that is just my general experience over 26 years x

[woofgang]

hmmm I have met some pretty skanky nursing support workers too....

[237SJ]

Just wondering - do NHS staff have a death in service payout in their contract?

[pixie374]

So have I, woof... it was meaning in general terms. Just my own experience, that's all.

[Prudie]

That's what I wondered. I thought all public servants tended to have a death benefit payout, not just the military as mentioned in the article. I know I do (tupe'd over from civil service) and it's 2 years' salary tax free.

[237SJ]

^ I do too and I`m not a public servant. I could find out from a nurse friend of mine but don`t like to ask.

[Neveracrossword]

I believe most NHS staff get a 'death in service' benefit of 2 times their pensionable salary. I think you have to have been employed for 2 years before you'd qualify.

[CrapAtCryptics]

20% of the good causes money from the National Lottery should go to the NHS.

[Boto]

I have never considered nurses as angels. They are doing a job like many others. There are excellent nurses but there are also useless, workshy ones. When you are in hospital you are vulnerable, scared, and a nurse who helps and is kind is often put on a pedestal. I think the pay is quite good, and yes, I have worked in the NHS.

[MartinMillar]

Theland @ 1829 I earn £400 less a month than I did 12 years ago for doing the same grade of job with the same civil service department, why should one public sector worker get their pay increase substantially but not others?

[Theland]

Martin Millar - I take your point.
But risking their lives? 82 dead so far.

I wonder what happens to the money raised by Captain(?) Tom?

Thanks for replies. Enlightening. Keep them coming.