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About time the likes of O'Leary was bought back down to earth, (literally) greedy selfish, laughing all the way to the bank, fleecing passengers at every opportunity. Not any more, the boots are on the other feet. :0)
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naomi - // The NHS should be run as a business by people who understand business. // To my mind, that is what encapsulates the issues which are dragging the NHS down. The NHS is not a business, it's a service, and the two run on very different systems for different reasons. In a business, everything must be cost effective, it must justify its position and maintain...
16:20 Fri 01st May 2020
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AH, //I have - but what is your point? //
Good. Then you'll know you received the treatment you needed in clean and pleasant surroundings. There is no reason - apart from the absence of someone with the wherewithal to take the NHS by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shaking - that it cannot be run on a business principle with all savings being ploughed back into the system.
Good. Then you'll know you received the treatment you needed in clean and pleasant surroundings. There is no reason - apart from the absence of someone with the wherewithal to take the NHS by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shaking - that it cannot be run on a business principle with all savings being ploughed back into the system.
I have never flown with Ryanair but from all accounts it was a cheap, functional airline. I am sorry for the employees about to lose their jobs but we are all going to see some big changes to our travel and manufacturing industries.Hopefully we will see a return of the ones we have lost over the years. I remember when we had shoe factories and cotton mills. We bought things made in England. Then in the 60 s shopping habits changed. There was a big influx of foreign goods from China and Hong Kong .Most were shoddy and badly made but because they were cheap there was a ready market for them. Shoes came flooding in from Brazil and Portugal at much lower prices than we were able to make them for. Consequently there was a big decline in our manufacturing industries. Cheap package holidays meant families could travel abroad for the first time and once having tried a foreign holiday they started to travel all over the world instead of spending holidays in Britain. Now this virus disaster has hit the world things will begin to alter but I have no idea in what direction. The young of today won't have any concept of what it would be like to work in a mill or a factory . Neither would they want to give up flying about all over the world. If Britain is to survive in the world ahead we will have to be prepared to make a lot of changes
Imagine if the long-term plan was deathby a thousand cuts, leading eventually to a tipping point where the whole thing was rescued by insurance companies, pharmaceutical multi- nationals and the same management that killed it in the end with a view to making big profits off the backs of the halt and lame.
Too far fetched?
Too far fetched?
naomi - // AH, //I have - but what is your point? //
Good. Then you'll know you received the treatment you needed in clean and pleasant surroundings. There is no reason - apart from the absence of someone with the wherewithal to take the NHS by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shaking - that it cannot be run on a business principle with all savings being ploughed back into the system. //
I fail to see your point.
My stay in a private hospital was as an NHS patient, but I did get a view of how the 'other half' live.
If people want to run private hospitals for profit and private patients, then fine, let market forces rule and they can stand or fall accordingly.
But for the vast majority, private health care is an unavailable luxury, and I believe that a civilised society should be able to offer a decent standard of health care for its population.
I do take your point that the NHS needs to be shaken up - but I can only reiterate my point, based on experience of working from an organisation that shifted from being a government funded service to a private share-owned company -
If you make financial profit the motive, then everything becomes tunnel-visioned, with profit in mind. Managers think entirely of their own sub-empire, and how to save money - which is only ever done by reducing either provision, or staff, ideally both.
But in health care, the care bit is the motivation, not the money - you spend the money to get the care, you don't cut the care to save the money.
Good. Then you'll know you received the treatment you needed in clean and pleasant surroundings. There is no reason - apart from the absence of someone with the wherewithal to take the NHS by the scruff of the neck and give it a good shaking - that it cannot be run on a business principle with all savings being ploughed back into the system. //
I fail to see your point.
My stay in a private hospital was as an NHS patient, but I did get a view of how the 'other half' live.
If people want to run private hospitals for profit and private patients, then fine, let market forces rule and they can stand or fall accordingly.
But for the vast majority, private health care is an unavailable luxury, and I believe that a civilised society should be able to offer a decent standard of health care for its population.
I do take your point that the NHS needs to be shaken up - but I can only reiterate my point, based on experience of working from an organisation that shifted from being a government funded service to a private share-owned company -
If you make financial profit the motive, then everything becomes tunnel-visioned, with profit in mind. Managers think entirely of their own sub-empire, and how to save money - which is only ever done by reducing either provision, or staff, ideally both.
But in health care, the care bit is the motivation, not the money - you spend the money to get the care, you don't cut the care to save the money.
AH, //My stay in a private hospital was as an NHS patient,//
You weren’t presented with a bill at the end of your stay then. You aren’t aware that everything is itemised - even down to an aspirin. That’s what needs to happen in the NHS. It’s ludicrous for a hospital to have more administrative staff than front line workers and to make cuts in the number and quality of cleaning staff in order to pay for the non-essential. My local hospital has one cleaner for the whole of the A&E department - but it's drowning in people doodling their days away on computers. Madness! The only other places you’ll find that sort of wanton wastage happening is in the Civil Service and, frankly, in many of the major charities - but of course, like the NHS they're not spending their own money so it doesn’t matter… does it?
//But for the vast majority, private health care is an unavailable luxury, and I believe that a civilised society should be able to offer a decent standard of health care for its population.//
We know that and that is why the NHS must be reformed and managed by people who understand money. As it is, it doesn't matter how much is thrown at it. It will spend all it gets, not always on the most sensible options, and still claim it needs more.
You weren’t presented with a bill at the end of your stay then. You aren’t aware that everything is itemised - even down to an aspirin. That’s what needs to happen in the NHS. It’s ludicrous for a hospital to have more administrative staff than front line workers and to make cuts in the number and quality of cleaning staff in order to pay for the non-essential. My local hospital has one cleaner for the whole of the A&E department - but it's drowning in people doodling their days away on computers. Madness! The only other places you’ll find that sort of wanton wastage happening is in the Civil Service and, frankly, in many of the major charities - but of course, like the NHS they're not spending their own money so it doesn’t matter… does it?
//But for the vast majority, private health care is an unavailable luxury, and I believe that a civilised society should be able to offer a decent standard of health care for its population.//
We know that and that is why the NHS must be reformed and managed by people who understand money. As it is, it doesn't matter how much is thrown at it. It will spend all it gets, not always on the most sensible options, and still claim it needs more.
Naomi - it appears we are actually voicing the same concerns, and solutions.
Because the NHS is run as a business, it s mired in micro-management, a spreadsheet for everything and a suit to tell everyone what it means.
Money is entirely spent in the wrong areas - on admin instead of care - and I can only repeat, that is because it is being as a business, and it's not a business, it's a service.
Because the NHS is run as a business, it s mired in micro-management, a spreadsheet for everything and a suit to tell everyone what it means.
Money is entirely spent in the wrong areas - on admin instead of care - and I can only repeat, that is because it is being as a business, and it's not a business, it's a service.
naomi - // But it isn’t, AH. It’s haemorrhaging money - constantly. Businesses run by people who know what they’re doing don’t do that.
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But it isn't - what? A service? I believe I have explained why I think that it is.
What we have is a service that is being run as a business, very badly, so we just have the worst of both worlds.
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But it isn't - what? A service? I believe I have explained why I think that it is.
What we have is a service that is being run as a business, very badly, so we just have the worst of both worlds.
If their that successful in making money as a business then they should know that they need to put money aside for a rainy day, not try and con the government in holding them up every time things go tits up. If O'Leary chooses to work on a low percentage of profit in the hope of putting other airlines out of business, he will end up like Freddy Laker did, BUST, sooner or later. Hopefully the government won't gamble the tax payers money on a low profitable airline, on the face value of the tickets of course, weather the extras charged by O'Leary are open for viewing is questionable. :0)
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