Re Grandparents Rights

[AuntSally21]

Hi all.
Some may remember my last post.
How things have changed and i literally do not know where to turn.
After having our granddaughter living with us for over 7 months our son as just come and taken her! If you remember he'd had very little contact with her in that 7 months, she didn't even know him.
I told him before he took her that we would have to get social services back involved as their was a concern for her safety back in April that still needed addressing.
I've never lied, ive never gone behind his back .
Social services contracted him about this serious incident, he denied it and as now said i went behind his back, took our granddaughter and told us we'll never see her again, it's been a whole week of pure hell and he's still insisting we can't see her.

There's been trouble with social services as they breeched their confidentiality policies causing more bad blood.

We've had legal advice that was absolutely worthless.
I put a serious complaint in with social services and they've accepted responsibility and apologised.
But none of this is going to help us see our precious granddaughter.

I can't eat, sleep, function and i feel there's literally nowhere to turn or talk to.
I've contacted nspcc, banordoes, a solicitor, social services.

Of course there's so much more to our situation, violence, drug abuse, mental health and proof that my son physically hurt our granddaughter but social services and the police have allowed her to go live with him and his new girlfriend who our granddaughter as met twice.

It breaks me the thought of her thinking where as nannan and grandad gone.
How can this ever be right.
I guess i don't even want advice just more to have it out loud, i literally have no one to talk to and just literally broken.

[bobbinwales]

Awful situation but you either after let go or ask social services if there's anything you can do or you need asolicitor

[burlyshirley]

I'm sorry, I'm so very, very sorry. How utterly dreadful that no-one believed you when you told them she was physically hurt. It looks like you have tried every avenue available to you to get to see your beloved Granddaughter, but sadly Grandparents don't have rights which I think is totally wrong. All you can hope is that in time he WILL let you see her and with this in mind, as hard as it is, keep in contact with him and tell him you will always be there for her and him. Keep it friendly if you possibly can. Is there nobody else in the family you can talk to at all ? Or a good friend ? All I can offer is my sincere sympathy and again, I am sorry for you awful plight xx

[AuntSally21]

ThankYOU burlyshirley.
I've messaged him every day, today was the first time he replied and it was abuse of how he's going to make our lives as miserable as possible.
In the last few years he's had over twenty thousand pound from us, he knows the money as ran out so we aren't needed anymore.

Its absolutely horrendous that we have no rights at all.
My mum's been through it all with us but she's in her seventies and it's made her ill so i won't let her go through this anymore so brace facing it.
Absolutely not wanting to make it sound all about me me me.
It's just so heartbreaking and can't believe he could do this.

[Bobbisox1]

Gosh that’s brought me to tears AS, what a terrible situation to be in, all I can offer is hope that the girlfriend soon gets sick of having your precious granddaughter around and she’s returned to you with a guardianship ship order for you and your husband , I really hope there’s a solution to this very soon,good luck

[burlyshirley]

I don't for one second believe it's all about you. You are badly missing your precious Granddaughter and your son is being extremely cruel because he knows he can. You are also worried sick about the baby's welfare. Christmas is coming, keep up the contact with him and maybe even offer to babysit so he and his girlfriend can go out over the festive season. As hard as it is, be nice to him or you may lose any sort of contact altogether. And maybe contact Social Services again if you think this may help. I'm in my early 70's and would cope if someone wanted to offload to me, perhaps you need to talk to your Mum, she could be of enormous help emotionally, so long as she's not in bad health of course. Wishing you lots and lots of luck xx

[Peter Pedant]

Bear in mind, no matter how hard it is
you are spectators in this
and the prime consideration is the welfare of the child

I guess / imagine the social services have determined that the best interests of the child lie with one parent ( or other )

Be there when you are needed

[Redhelen72]

If you feel that your granddaughter is at risk and that the police and SS are not taking you seriously then personally I would go to the media.
Given the recent hi profile child abuse cases that is the route I would go.

[AuntSally21]

Thankyou all xxx

That's the frustrating part, we have actual evidence of the abuse, but they're saying there's no proof he was the one to do it.
We've shown them the messages from him scamming thousands out of women.
The only thing the police were interested in was the racist stuff we showed them.
He doesn't want our granddaughter but he's not took over her benefits from her mother.

Everything is lies, scam, money making and our granddaughter is stuck in the middle of it all.
I will forever try and keep in contact and just pray he as a change of heart xxx

[AuntSally21]

Redhelen i think that as to be something to look into.

I absolutely worship our granddaughter and if i knew she was going to a loving home id be absolutely ecstatic but i know she isn't.
He'll play his part till social services have calmed down then pass her about to go do his things

[jennyjoan]

I feel for you Aunt Sally - one friend and her hubby practically reared their 5 grandchildren. Took them every year to holiday home for 6 weeks at a time, every weekend, picked them up from school. Parents had so much freedom.

They had a fall out with one of the parents and now two (so neither parents or grandchildren bother at all) - this has been going on for about 4 years now. Definitely there will be no resolution. I know friend is devastated but tries to carry on.

[johnk]

Keep trying and hoping Sally, I wish you the very best of luck.

[Peter Pedant]

bin boozin
OK grandparents right
short answer - you dont have any

evidence of abuse
you have to have bruises AND that someone has done it

one alone wont do

My brudda as a paed saw a judge dismiss murder charges on this dilemma - dead child but no admissible evidence who dun it

this by the way is the fault of the police and crown

[Barsel]

When you say you have had legal advice, have you seen someone who specialises in Family Law?