Drivng License Query

[nailit]

My son is applying for a provisional driving license .
On the website it says (for I.D purposes)
//You can use the 9-digit passport number for your driving licence application if you’ve got a valid UK biometric passport //
Does it still count as 'valid' if the passport out of date?
It was a passport my son had as a child, hes now 19, passport expired 3 yrs ago.
Thanks

[Pumbah]

I would suspect the DVLA will say "no". Valid usually means he could use it to travel, which he clearly couldn't. Also, the
photo will be out-of date as well.

[Baldric]

///passport expired 3 yrs ago///

does suggest to me that it is no longer Valid!

[Prudie]

Does it specify 'biometric'? If so then your son's passport wouldn't count anyway as they didn't have biometric passports then. I think it's a new thing where they share information with each other.

[Baldric]

March 2006 by the look of it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4776562.stm

[EDDIE51]

No, an expired passport is not 'valid'.
Not only is it not valid by being out of date, it is not valid as it is a 'child's' passport and he is now an adult.

[Peter Pedant]

erm not valid and not biometric

otherwise fits the bill .....

I keep invalid passports for identity purposes because then sundry clerks can lose them in the works and you arent jiggered


I have also hung onto my parents passports decd after I was asked to show I wasnt a sleeping member of a well know gang - I mean really ! and my real surname isnt Kray !

or else they would take the house

[Prudie]

To be fair it's quite clear on the website what you can use if you don't have a biometric passport and answers your question:

Other types of identification
You can send the following identity documents if you don’t have a biometric passport:

a current and valid passport
a biometric residence permit (BRP) - formerly known as the identity card for foreign nationals
a UK certificate of naturalisation
an European Union (EU) or European Economic Area (EEA) national identity card
a travel document
You must send the original document with your driving licence application.

[Peter Pedant]

blimey I dont have any of them besides the passport !

does that mean for us pink anglos passport first and then driving licence ?

[hc4361]

PP, scroll down that page a bit more and you will that for British born applicants, including pink ones:

UK birth and adoption certificates

You can use a UK birth and adoption certificate, but you must send it with one of the following:

National Insurance card or a letter from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) showing your National Insurance number
photocopy of the front page of a benefits book or an original benefits claim letter
P45, P60 or pay slip
marriage certificate or divorce papers (decree nisi or absolute)
college or university union card, school record or PASS CitizenCard

[nailit]

Thanks all for replies. Wasnt sure about the passport as he still uses it for proof of age (and still been valid for that purpose and still a legal document). So looks like its going to be his birth certificate....if we can find it.....and another I.D.
Thanks again, appreciated.

[ummmm]

Nailit - why doesn't he apply for a new passport?

I recently applied for a new license and it took 5 mins online using my passport and it arrived in about 4 days.

Also...if new photos are needed you can get them signed in your local shop or pub...or anyone that holds a licence to practice their trade.

[Peter Pedant]

thx hc I was taking AB conts at full face value ( again )

[Peter Pedant]

It is the old list A and list B innit ?

proof of identity and proof of address or residence

( and the proof of A cannot also be used for B )

I had read that paper BCs were out as there is no secure computer footprint of them ! - having had forty y of "if you lose your BC you become a ZERO !"

[ummmm]

Peter....What?

If he has an old passport he has ID.

[Prudie]

Dare I ask what AB conts is?