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Thanks Dris,i think line has got to same point as i have,as to where it doesnt hurt anymore,you become imune to the abuse..I put up with alot because ive let myself believe that i deserve it..I, as probably yourself and line was brought up in a not the best but stable environment,i had my ma and pa there for me,good and bad, i feel guilt because i havent been able to give this simple thing in life to my own kids..I dont want to get her into trouble,i know my kids belong with their mother,i wouldnt want any different...They have both moved on,met new partners,one has even remarried,yet they dont allow me to meet anyone,their words have been,meet someone,but they are not allowed around our kids..with my life and job,how is that posible?? But i do it,because im lost without my kids...Yes there are laws and there are courts...but as i have tried before,i dont want bitternes,i dont to have to force them to let me see my kids..And for them to instill bad feelings and a hatred towards me into my own children...Its a tough situation,and ive learned to accept,im not sad,im not bitter,just dissapointed..because the only people who are really suffering are my kids...but that whats their moms dont understand because they are there with them all the time...they dont see how much it really hurts..but Alas,such is life....i do believe ive brought this on myself,they allways used to say what comes around goes around..Im not asking for peoples pity,im okay,just dont like the one rule for one and one for the other x